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To: Lane3 who wrote (80066)	10/23/2004 10:53:49 AM
From: Sig	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793957

Someone should tear that outcry apart... He applies this statement to Bush, where it applies much better to Kerry. Because its Kerry that once considered all soldiers to be criminals, and now wants to lead them. <<<But to surrender one's principles, to refuse to fight for them, is to put personal ambition before all else.>>> He uses Abu Ghraib as an example of a big mistake. Of 10000 prisoners plus all that had passed through how many died, were tortured with the techniques the enemy used? Less than 20? Its more of example of a place the guilty would dream of living. Free meals and housing, away from hot combat zones, with medical care and clean water.Its a wonder the opposition did not surrender in droves. Sig

To: Lane3 who wrote (80066)	10/23/2004 1:16:09 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793957

Interesting rant. If you care to browse through the minutia of annual income vs. outlay in historial federal budgets, you'll see that there are a number of things affecting surplus or deficit of income vs. outlay. whitehouse.gov Anybody who wants to blame the bursting of the tech bubble on Bush is a brain dead moron. So let's not go there -- and that caused a decline in federal income, as well as GDP. Not much Bush could do about this. 9/11 caused a decline in federal income, as well as GDP. Not much Bush could do about this. Entitlement programs cause an increase in outlay. Bush can't stop this all by himself, that's up to Congress. Tax cuts caused a decline in federal income but had the effect of increasing GDP. Bush was pushing this. Probably a good idea. Increase in federal outlays was in part due to increase in military spending, which was in part due to wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, policy decisions which the author does not approve of, and in part to restore funding which had been cut under Clinton. One of the main ways Clinton got an annual surplus was by cutting the military budget. Plenty of libertarians believe that a strong military is an essential responsibility of government. I'm with Bush on this one. Some of the social programs I don't care for, but Kerry will have his own, and these will probably be more intrusive, especially in health care and health insurance, which will create more entitlement programs we need like a hole in the head. I don't like federal social programs period, but we have them. Voting for Kerry won't change that. The move to ban gay marriage would never have come up if there hadn't been a move to legalize gay marriage to begin with. It's silly to blame Bush for responding to it. We already have the federal government telling states that they must keep abortion legal, that they must force businesses to provide handicapped access, and a host of other "do good" interferences in traditional state matters. Kerry would make this worse.