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To: Don Earl who wrote (8662)10/25/2004 11:45:00 AM
From: sea_urchin  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 20039
 
Don > The sad fact of the matter is, to the best of my knowledge, there isn't a single organization in existence which embraces an unadulterated version of the principals of those who founded this nation.

That is indeed sad, because the principles used by your Founding Fathers were the basis of democracy throughout the world. Of course, over the years, and as I understand it, the principles of individual liberty, particularly those embodied in the Amendments, have been whittled away so that today the greatest threat to the individual, namely government, has assumed total power, and the second greatest threat, namely the threat to financial independence of the individual, in other words, sound money, has been destroyed by the Federal Reserve. I would imagine the final nail in the coffin of individual liberty is the fact that a business enterprise is treated as a person.

And, I suppose, in the circumstance where the Constitution has failed to ensure a secular utopia, particularly for the ordinary man, one should not be surprised at the enormous popular movement toward myth and superstition -- I refer, of course, to religious fundamentalism, particularly Judeo-Christian. In fact, in a world of so-called "enlightenment", especially in the West, I find it extraordinary the degree to which many Americans now embrace the supernatural and the "divine" when it comes to secular matters.

Is it just a matter of time before witches are, once again, burnt at the stake?!

Or is Guantanamo the modern way to exorcise evil spirits?



To: Don Earl who wrote (8662)10/26/2004 9:16:05 PM
From: sea_urchin  Respond to of 20039
 
Don > there isn't a single organization in existence which embraces an unadulterated version of the principals of those who founded this nation (2)

Here's a piece which agrees with your sentiments:

informationclearinghouse.info

>>In conclusion, Americans are free to go to the bathroom when the need arises, but when it comes to enjoying the elements that comprise political freedom, all of them have been compromised and are essentially dysfunctional. Yet, we go about our business thinking this is not the case. We think we are free because we confuse personal freedom with political freedom and no one in government, the media, or our educational institutions will risk their jobs or future well being by clearing up our misconceptions. We have lost the only thing that ensures our personal freedom; our political freedom and an inevitable result is that we are now losing our personal freedom as well.

If we have been robbed of our political freedom by those elected to serve us, what then does this say about the kind of democracy we have? No American would intentionally vote away our political freedom, yet it is gone and has been taken from us without our consent. This makes a mockery of democracy and establishes that the democracy we have is only an illusion.

For several generations, this nation was locked in a cold war with communism. Indeed, we called our selves the free world and looked upon those living in the Soviet Bloc as enslaved and down trodden. The question is, how free are we today in comparison to those who used to live under Communism. The truth is that we are now not much better off than the citizens of the Soviet Union during the cold war. We have a two party system that in matters of substance is one party, we no longer have inalienable rights, we no longer own the fruits of our own labor, our property is not safe and secure from confiscation and seizure, we are being systematically robbed of our wealth and heritage, and we can be arrested and held without being charged or tried at the discretion of government bureaucrats. Where then is the freedom that we take such pride in having?

Americans are no longer free and democracy is just an illusion kept alive by the ruling establishment so they can have their way with us. This would be the verdict of our Founding Fathers if they were alive today and this is the verdict that would be reached by any intelligent individual who impartially examines our present situation.<<



To: Don Earl who wrote (8662)10/27/2004 9:58:53 AM
From: Sidney Reilly  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 20039
 
On the other hand, the Libertarian Party program looks like a system to turn America into a corporate state where a doped up work force exists at the poverty level, but are too stoned to care.

Good point. Maybe the corporate elite have already infiltrated the LP party (just in case). LPS5 could be their agent on SI!! LOL