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To: GST who wrote (149171)	10/26/2004 5:37:46 PM
From: Michael Watkins	Respond to of 281500

Now there you go again, disrupting the Iraq Karma Hour with an irrelevant foreign affairs China / Taiwan issue! >g<

To: GST who wrote (149171)	10/26/2004 5:51:41 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

I do not and did not claim that the US government gives formal diplomatic recognition to Taiwan's defacto independence. Your link to the Yahoo article about Powell denying the Taiwan is independent is evidence that the US doesn't recognize Taiwanese independence. That issue has already been dealt with. -------------- < There is no other nation state on earth that recognizes a nation state called "Taiwan" > A fact that is entirely irrelevant. A state does not cease to exist or lose is sovereignty because foreign governments and diplomats do not recognize it formally. The PROC was a sovereign state even when much of the world recognized the ROC as the government of China. Similarly the ROC is a sovereign state even though the PROC gets formal recognition. Message 20667903 ------------------------ <China and Taiwan are one country. This has been our official policy since 72 and it is the reality of China.> It's been everyone's policy but official statements don't change the reality on the ground. Message 20509431 ---------------------------- Does the government of Taiwan report to any other government? Is it appointed by the mainland? No. Does it control its own territory, levy its own taxes, pass its own laws that are not subject to appeal to any outside government? Yes it does all these things, and these things are what makes a political entity a sovereign state, not the idea that the territory controlled by the state should be part of some larger entity, not the historical fact that it used to be controlled by a larger entity, nor the future possibility (no matter how great) that it will be controlled by some outside entity, and not the recognition of other countries or international bodies. Taiwan is a sovereign state because it is a state that exercises sovereignty over its territory. Message 20590019 -------------------------------