To: Brumar89 who wrote (13359 ) 10/28/2004 5:06:37 AM From: epicure Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 20773 Clearly you haven't followed my argument- although I've stated it so many times I've lost count. Saddam WAS perceived as an infidel by some violent political muslims (including Al Q)- why does that matter? Because you don't shack up with people who want you dead- and that was why Saddam couldn't, and NEVER could, get in to bed with Al Q. They want rulers top be subservient to the Koran (well, really to their interpretation of the Koran- but they'd kill you for telling them that). Militant and violent islamicists have killed tons of other muslims (civilians and their leaders, both secular and religious) because the violent militants are very angry at the masses in the muslim world for not rising up and overthrowing their corrupt leaders (seduced by evil western values, and nasty democracy). In Algeria this became so prevalent that 1000's of civilians were killed- and a quote I remember was "Not even the right wing French groups did this to us". It gets to the point that you can kill, as an infidel, anyone who disagrees with you- and that includes other Muslims. Actually, it was their failed campaign against muslims, that made them turn to their campaign against the West- the Muslim masses didn't fall for their terrorist tactics- unfortunately Bush gave them a world stage to play on, by making them into a huge global boogeyman. I'm sure their loving that- it is, after all, what they wanted from us. I personally don't think it's a good idea to give terrorists exactly what they want. The CIA, I am sure, knew that Saddam really could NOT get in to bed with Al Q- and I think the Neocons either did not want to believe that wasn't true, or didn't care (remember, Leo Strauss their mentor says that in pursuing the "noble myth" ala Plato, you don't have to believe in the crap you peddle to the masses in order to bring about the changes you want. So that's why. My posts usually have a lot more nuance than you appear to be able to recognize. Could you try to read them more carefully? I try to read your posts to me carefully- I admit I don't read all your other posts, and I don't expect you to read my other posts- but if you could concentrate on the one's I actually post to you, it would be appreciated. And where's my apology for the fact that you ignored my ""? I'm so disappointed it wasn't here.