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To: Keith Feral who wrote (149261)	10/27/2004 8:40:50 AM
From: michael97123	Respond to of 281500

Zogby Bush 48-47 and closing. The Vietnam(g) news from the front continues to hurt bush this week. Bush needs either to change the topic or address CBS/NYT directly. Whether US troops passed thru there on the way to bagdad or not, there was a war going on and to blame the President for every misplaced weapon when combat was underway is bizarre. Given the past few weeks news--iraq weapons, iraq slaughter of 51 troops, flu vaccine, oil price, jobs, Spitzer, CBS, consumer confidence etc etc, it amazes me that bush is still in it at all. We are heading at this moment for a Kerry win imo. Doesnt mean there isnt plenty of time to reverse the trend. Things are pretty much dead even right now and either guy can emerge with an EC victory. Bush needs a piece of good news or a kerry gaffe of some type. Kerry needs to stay on message and not deviate from his script so he doesnt explain himself into a flip flop moment. Mike PS There are many scenarios that produce a 269-269 tie in the EC. If so, i think the House decides with one vote for each state delegation. What is bush loses popular vote? Will House Republicans still choose him or go with kerry because of pop vote? The House (i am pretty sure about this) can choose someone else so perhaps a John McCain is selected president. The Senate chooses VP. What if reps choose bush even if he has less votes but senate chooses Edwards because of pop vote victory. I think all the above are possible scenarios under the constitution. Wouldnt that be fun.

To: Keith Feral who wrote (149261)	10/27/2004 8:45:38 AM
From: michael97123	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Regardless of who wins next tuesday, all of us here should pledge to support the winner and remove animus from the debate over iraq and other matters. We should give bush a chance to fix iraq and kerry a chance to formulate fp. A bipartisan effort in fp is very important going forward and the first act for Bush if he wins is to remove Rumsfeld and replace him with Lugar, Hagel, or McCain. And if the next SD needs to fire Wolfy and those boys so be it. No ones job is important enough to prevent the reestablishment of confidence in our own govt. And for Kerry, A republican listed above also would be a good idea for Defense. Mike

To: Keith Feral who wrote (149261)	10/27/2004 9:04:16 AM
From: michael97123	Respond to of 281500

realclearpolitics.com Michigan and NJ now in play. I live in NJ and the two states are similar in that there is a large catholic vote and many reagan democrats who all of a sudden are moving traditionally dem states into the undecided column. Some of this has to do with social issues but i think there is some sympathy growing for bush over the savaging he is getting in the media over iraq as well as the flu shot, oil prices etc. Kerry probably will win NJ but this defection of catholic reagan dems voters may make the difference in other states where this may tip tie races. Sympathy vote for bush in the last few days??? Could overkill do in kerry? mike

To: Keith Feral who wrote (149261)	10/27/2004 1:35:11 PM
From: Michael Watkins	Respond to of 281500

I'm sorry, but I don't apologize (there is a difference), that you don't get the point of my note.

To: Keith Feral who wrote (149261)	10/27/2004 1:37:39 PM
From: Michael Watkins	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

I have absolutely no regard for the competing interests of our economic adversaries in Western Europe. They are the most corrupt business leaders in the world, protecting their own interests at any expense. And your view on the world, including US enterprise, is virtually perfectly myopic. Try your line on 10 random strangers and see how they react. For the sake of the nation I hope that more than 5 of them laugh.

To: Keith Feral who wrote (149261)	10/27/2004 2:03:37 PM
From: Michael Watkins	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 281500

I have absolutely no regard for the competing interests of our economic adversaries in Western Europe. They are the most corrupt business leaders in the world, protecting their own interests at any expense. And you base this opinion on what? Facts? Conveniently forgetting about Savings and Loans, Enron, Worldcom, Anderson Consulting, hundreds of dot bomb blowups, Tyco... it would take me an hour to put together a comprehensive list for the last decade or two. And the trend has been worsening, not improving, over two decades. Here's a handy fact: International Corruption Index - 2003 ...where 10 = highly clean, 1 very dirty Source: US DEPARTMENT OF STATE 9.7 Finland 9.5 Denmark 9.3 Sweden 8.8 Switzerland 8.8 Norway 8.8 Australia 8.7 Canada 8.7 United Kingdom (in western Europe by the way) 8.0 Hong Kong (what's this? China protectorate less corrupt than US?) 7.7 Germany 7.6 Belgium 7.5 Ireland 7.5 USA 7.4 Chile (whats this? USA ranked next to Chile? Oh, that's right, Henry Kissinger was telling the Chileans to do their human rights abuses quickly "so they could return to normality" - so it makes sense to be paired with Chile I guess) 6.9 France 6.6 Portugal You can claim a minor moral victory - the US is higher than France. Break out the party balloons! Just don't fill them with chemical weapons that Reagan didn't mind ignoring.