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To: i-node who wrote (209608)	11/1/2004 1:10:29 AM
From: Elroy	Respond to of 1572365

Your's is about the worst damned excuse for a flip-flop I've seen in years. How many years have you been analyzing flip flops?! Get a job!

To: i-node who wrote (209608)	11/1/2004 1:18:23 AM
From: Elroy	Respond to of 1572365

You know what is wrong with the basis for many of your objections? You have totally bought into the idea of Bush as a wartime president, which he may have been 18 months ago, but at the moment he is not. In war, it is commonplace for the country to unite behind the president, for partisanship to vanish from the senate, and the entire government adopts an "us versus them" unity that is seldom seen in times of peace. Kerry's statements about Afghanistan and Iraq in the leadup to those wars should be taken in that context. In others words, everyone was behind the two battles at the time, more so Afghanistan than Iraq, but basically the Senate (including Kerry) was presenting the united America front in preparation to sending our troops to war. To do otherwise would be counter productive. Now that the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are OVER (face it, what is going on in those two countries is NOT war, no more than the occupation of Germany or Japan post WW2 was war), the US is back to its normal state of diversity, and there is nothing inappropriate to Kerry's objection to Bush's performance during his four year in office. That's Bush's record, and that's Kerry's job to critique it with as much vigor as he can muster. I hope I've cleared that up for you. Please don't put any double negative sentences in your post if you have a response.

To: i-node who wrote (209608)	11/1/2004 1:18:24 AM
From: Elroy	Respond to of 1572365

You know what is wrong with the basis for many of your objections? You have totally bought into the idea of Bush as a wartime president, which he may have been 18 months ago, but at the moment he is not. In war, it is commonplace for the country to unite behind the president, for partisanship to vanish from the senate, and the entire government adopts an "us versus them" unity that is seldom seen in times of peace. Kerry's statements about Afghanistan and Iraq in the leadup to those wars should be taken in that context. In others words, everyone was behind the two battles at the time, more so Afghanistan than Iraq, but basically the Senate (including Kerry) was presenting the united America front in preparation to sending our troops to war. To do otherwise would be counter productive. Now that the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are OVER (face it, what is going on in those two countries is NOT war, no more than the occupation of Germany or Japan post WW2 was war), the US is back to its normal state of diversity, and there is nothing inappropriate to Kerry's objection to Bush's performance during his four year in office. That's Bush's record, and that's Kerry's job to critique it with as much vigor as he can muster. I hope I've cleared that up for you. Please don't put any double negative sentences in your post if you have a response.

To: i-node who wrote (209608)	11/1/2004 1:21:16 AM
From: SilentZ	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1572365

>The guy flipflopped. Period, end of story. And you (NOT A LIBERAL, LMAO) are defending it. Every politician flip-flops. I could give you a ton of Bush's, but the most recent one was his sudden support for civil unions. That was his third position on the issue in the last five years. And so what? It's what politicians do. If they didn't, they wouldn't get this far. It's part of the irony of the whole game. -Z