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To: tejek who wrote (209640)	11/1/2004 4:02:40 AM
From: Elroy	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1570327

Of course, the irony......since WW II, we have been telling the ME what to do. And worse, interfering in their politics, gov'ts and their economies.......many Muslims have died because of our intervention. We supported and aided Saddam at his peak......when he was killing Iraqis by the thousands. You've gone off the deep end again, and need to get back on the boat before the tide comes in. First a little history. The ME was under Ottoman rule (Turkish) for centuries before it was "liberated" by UK/France/USA in WW1. Point #1 - we freed all these ME countries from outside dominance early in 20th century. To say that we have been "telling the ME what to do since WW2" is a touch misleading given the state of their development at the time (most had been "countries" for less than 20 years). As for our interference in ME politics and governments- There is not a single two party country in the ME (other than Israel), so what "politics" are you refering to? Pehaps you mean we interfered with the dictators that were busy oppressing their people and agitating the surrounding countries - does that bother you? The idea that the US interfering with dictators produces more death than leaving them alone is ridiculous. Leave Saddam alone - he gasses the Iraqis that object to his leadership, cuts off their ears, tosses them in mass graves. When the US engages Egypt and Jordan, their human rights record improves dramatically, and their economies improve. As for our interference in thier economies hurting the ME, you have no idea what you are talking about! The main "interference" the US has had in ME economies is buying their natural resource (oil). We not only buy it from them, we locate it for them, extract it out of the ground for them, refine it for them, transport it for them and pay them for it. This is why the "expat" populations in the oil rich countries are so high - they didn't have anywhere near the technology necessary to undertake the oil and gas industries on their own. The fact that any of the Gulf countries still have these amazing resources is a testament to the moral leadership of the countries that dominate the world right now. In any other time in history, the ME oil would have been FORCIBLY TAKEN from the bedouin tribespeople by the world power of the time. You think the Romans or the Ottoman empire or the Dutch would let other countries hold onto such a valuable natural resource??? How upset are the oil sheikdoms at "us (which is actually the developed world) about this interference in their economies? The location, extraction, refinement, transport and sale of oil is responsible for a huge chunk of hospitals, universities, and basic infrastructures throughout the ME. That's good, not harmful. Without the developed world's involvement in the ME oil situation, a good chunk of the ME would be primarily camel jockies diving for pearls and growing dates, and just trying to stay alive (it's hot, baby!!!). many Muslims have died because of our intervention Many Muslims have had much better lives than they would have without the modernizations that the developed world has brought to the region, and Muslims are much bigger killers of Muslims than non-Muslims. Come out of LEFT field!

To: tejek who wrote (209640)	11/1/2004 12:40:27 PM
From: Peter Dierks	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1570327

There are two kinds of parents when their kid gets in trouble. There are the parents who will ask what the kid did wrong and why he/she did it. They will not defend his/her bad behavior but rather will punish him/her as appropriate. Then there are parents that when they hear their kid is in trouble they get all indignant and defend their kid to the hilt......threatening to sue the school or whatever authority or institution is complaining. I guess the former are girlie parents and the latter real ones. The latter are the twenty first century Democrat parents. That is why the trial lawyers donate over 90% (probably over 95%) of their money to the Democrat Party. Your sarcasm has struck a blow against you tenets.