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To: kodiak_bull who wrote (22210)	11/5/2004 10:12:50 AM
From: Chas.	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23153

Amen, God am I glad you said that, Praise the Lord..... now if we could just get Ed to admit that the majority has spoken regards the Bush/Republican/Conservative/NeoCon movement and loud and clear I might add.... rumor is that Richard Pearle is on the short list for Sec State....how great is that...... rumor is that Paul Wolfawitz is on the short list for Sec Defense....how great is that...... C. Rice to replace Andy Card...? regards....Chuck

To: kodiak_bull who wrote (22210)	11/5/2004 10:37:49 AM
From: Sun Tzu	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23153

Oops, posted my last message before I saw this, so I will resist the temptation to ask if the evidence of quantum mechanics in Hindu and Buddhist teachings is "proof" of them being the one "True" religion, the way certain passages of Bible is held as proof of Christianity being It. yours faithfully, Sun Tzu PS Here is a thread for religious discussions from a socio-historical contexts. A number of people felt it had interesting info on early Christianity Subject 53915 May wish to start here Message 18889500 and follow through to eventally end at the thread here Message 18891998 And please do not post on FADG. PS Yes I agree with you and will not pick this up here again.

To: kodiak_bull who wrote (22210)	11/5/2004 1:01:41 PM
From: cnyndwllr	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23153

Kodiak, re: I doubt, based on experience, that a religious conversation concerning particular beliefs and belief systems will make any progress, enlighten anyone or clarify any issues. So I suggest we drop it. You are right in the sense that it is silly to argue religion. You are wrong in the sense that it not silly to discuss the impact of religious beliefs on tolerance. Many devout believers like to articulate tolerance as being part of their belief system but when you look closely, what they describe as tolerance is something that falls far short. In their minds that isn't a problem because their way is the "true way," but they should at least be encouraged to understand that true tolerance actually means something other than tolerating those who don't "sin." It's important that we explore that dichotomy so that when people use words like "tolerance" they understand the difference between saying it and living it. If we don't we might end up living under the rule of a supreme court, a legislature and an executive that are very tolerant of those who live the "right way." Or we might end up using our military to kill people in order to convert them to our way of life because, after all, "freedom is a God given right." Now who was it that said that? Ed

To: kodiak_bull who wrote (22210)	11/5/2004 4:50:12 PM
From: Suma	Respond to of 23153

Excellent post Kodiak..Bull.. Says quite a bit to me..

To: kodiak_bull who wrote (22210)	11/6/2004 12:36:54 PM
From: Mary Cluney	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23153

I doubt, based on experience, that a religious conversation concerning particular beliefs and belief systems will make any progress, enlighten anyone or clarify any issues. At the center of these discussions, there is the concept of separation of church and state. It seems clear to me that when there is a complete separation of church and state, believers and non-believers can thrive. But if you insert religion or God into the state equation, there seem to be no room for agnostics and non believers. It seems like religion is at the core of many of our disputes. Can any discussion amount to anything if you ignore the realities that religion plays into everyday life?