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To: Sun Tzu who wrote (22305)11/11/2004 10:06:10 AM
From: kodiak_bull  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 23153
 
Sun Tzu,

<<it is not the belief in God that is the cause of the problem. It is "feeling of "rightness" to the decision making process that often impedes critical thinking, interferes with pragmatic evaluations of the realities of policies and is more likely to infringe on the individual liberties of others">>

A lot of what has been said about Christians and Christian beliefs reflects the current media prejudice in favor of any "third world" religion, race, creed, activity (the Tibetan Book of the Dead is a classic, but Genesis (the book, not the old group), nyahhh!; Sikkhism, yeah, dude, that's cool, but Southern Methodism, nyahhh!) and against the institutions that many shallow thinkers might collectively term "The Establishment", but what you wrote simply says, which is a pretty self-evident truth, that if Somebody has a Feeling of Rightness to an Extreme Extent, it can screw up their thinking.

Right?

And it can screw up their results. And it can screw up the lives of a lot of other people.

Would you agree?

Certain examples come to mind (not in any order or order of magnitude):

Qin Shihuangdi, the guy with the Great Wall (first political mass murderer)
Napoleon
The guys at Fort Sumter
Hitler
Stalin
Mao
Pol Pot
The Best and the Brightest group with JFK
LBJ

On the other hand, we have to admire people who have enough confidence in their ideas to perservere:

George Washington, Abe Lincoln, T. Roosevelt, FDR, Churchill, RR, Ray Kroc, . . .

Once we extract the religious prejudice from the argument and begin to list ACTUAL EXAMPLES we find that there's nothing really religious about the proposition or hypothesis at all. AND, it's pretty hard to find any examples of official Christian action (I'm not talking about scandals among the clergy, whether priests for Jimmy Swaggert, ah, the flesh is weak) in the modern era which illustrate actual repression or aggressive behavior. AND, when you counterbalance it with the hundreds of billions of dollars in goods and services, historically, given away in the modern era by Christian institutions and Christian inspired institutions to fund food, relief, adoption and health programs on every level, then I think those who wish to sully modern Christianity with this black eye, at least those with a pulse and some brain activity, ought to put the car in reverse and drive quietly away.

[Again, by way of disclosure, I am not a member of any Christian faith.]

(Just by way of one example, consider the Holt International Adoption Agency. Started by a devout Christian farmer and his wife in 1957, I think, it has arranged the adoption of over 100,000 orphans. Harry and Bertha Holt simply said they were inspired by their Christian beliefs to help the unfortunate orphans they had seen on a television broadcast. You can read more about them, and even contribute if you wish, here:

holtintl.org

I would be interested to see if anybody else, starting from zero dollars (the Holts were farmers in Creswell, Oregon, population at that time, maybe 500) inspired by any creed, managed to save 100,000 plus lives in a similar time period.)

Kb



To: Sun Tzu who wrote (22305)11/11/2004 10:30:48 AM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 23153
 
Bush's Republican Problem
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Even if George W. Bush wanted to reduce the budget deficit, his congressional allies would never allow it.

By Robert B. Reich
The American Prospect
Web Exclusive: 11.10.04

George W. Bush's biggest problem over the next four years will be a Congress that's even more Republican than it was in 2000. Let me explain.

In their heart of hearts, presidents don't like it when their own party controls both houses of Congress. It's the same whether the new President is a Republican or a Democrat. Why? Because when your own party runs Congress, you've got to help them pay off all the IOUs they've accumulated along the campaign trail from all their constituents and patrons and sponsors. You don't have the excuse that you can't help with the payoffs because the other party runs one or both houses of Congress. No, it's entirely your party. You’re stuck with the bill for it.

Look at what happened to Bush over the last four years, with a Republican Congress. Non-defense spending grew by an average of 8 percent a year. Under Bill Clinton, it grew by an average of only 4.3 percent a year. Meanwhile, special-interest tax loopholes exploded over the past four years. The corporate tax bill the president signed last month was the biggest piece of special-interest pork in history. Yet tax loopholes increased only moderately under Clinton.

Why could Clinton hold down spending and special-interest tax loopholes when Bush couldn't? Because for most of the Clinton years, Republicans and Democrats in Congress couldn't agree on much of anything. That meant Clinton could veto or threaten to veto even bills containing pet projects of leading Democrats by blaming Republicans for larding up the bills with too many favors.

Over the last four years, Bush has signed every spending bill that came his way -- every morsel of pork for the folks back home in every Republican congressional district, every bit of corporate welfare for the big businesses that contributed to every Republican senator and every Republican representative. Total federal tax revenue is $100 billion lower this year than when Bush took office in 2001 but spending is $400 billion higher!

Poor President Bush. Now he has an even larger Republican majority. And the budget deficit is already way over $400 billion this year. He doesn't stand a chance of reducing it. Every one of those newly-elected Republicans in the House and most in the Senate are carrying around huge IOUs from the election. And all those IOUs require more special tax breaks, more subsidies, more spending. It's enough to make a president downright depressed.
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Robert B. Reich is co-founder of The American Prospect

prospect.org



To: Sun Tzu who wrote (22305)11/11/2004 12:55:36 PM
From: Chas.  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 23153
 
SunZu, what I was getting at when I said "keeping it in Eds context" was that Ed was implying that GW Bush because of his admitted faith in the Lord, and sometimes expressing himself in a way that implies a religious belief system being used as guidance, was a questionable leader.

the specific import of Eds message or post was that President Bushs leadership was suspect because of his religious convictions and belief in them.....

regards