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To: E who wrote (660302)	11/14/2004 9:33:32 PM
From: Hope Praytochange	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769670

Iran Says It Will Suspend Uranium Program Move Is Part of Deal With EU to Avoid Sanctions, Iranian Official Says Reuters Sunday, November 14, 2004; 2:11 PM TEHRAN, Nov. 14 -- Iran said on Sunday it had submitted a letter to the United Nations' atomic watchdog announcing it would suspend uranium enrichment activities as part of a deal with the European Union to avoid possible U.N. Security Council sanctions. Hassan Rohani, Iran's chief nuclear negotiator, said the suspension would remain in place as long as talks with the E.U. continued on a final resolution of Iran's nuclear case. Iran's announcement of a suspension of enrichment -- a process that can be used to make fuel for atomic reactors or nuclear warheads -- comes just in time to be included in a report by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), due to be released on Monday. It should also be enough for Iran to avoid U.S. efforts to have the case sent to the U.N. Security Council for possible sanctions. Iran denies U.S. accusations that its nuclear energy program is a front for an atomic weapons bid. "One hour ago we submitted a letter to the IAEA," Rohani told reporters after a meeting in Tehran with the ambassadors of Britain, Germany and France, who have been leading the negotiations on behalf of the E.U. Diplomats in Vienna confirmed the IAEA had received the letter. Rohani said the suspension would be "during the period of talks" with the E.U.. Once the suspension is in place the "E.U. Three" have said they will sit down with Iran to discuss a package of incentives -- ranging from cooperation on peaceful nuclear technology to a possible trade deal -- in return for Iran permanently giving up any activities that could be used to make bomb-grade material. Rohani's deputy Hossein Mousavian told reporters those talks would start on Dec. 15.

To: E who wrote (660302)	11/15/2004 12:31:00 PM
From: Johannes Pilch	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 769670

I never thought I'd see a post of yours and think it was the most honest thing said on this thread on the subject. I have no sacred cows, E. If I could adequately defend America on this and other related issues, I would; but I don’t think the facts would even come close to allowing it. The racism in the historical record against the “slant-eyes” was quite blatant, nauseatingly so. It won’t do to gloss over it. That implies it was necessary to imprison and impoverish them to do that. Not at all, though some sort of registration may have done the job. It is a fact of life that though we exist in nature as individuals, we will often fail to investigate humans as individuals, instead anticipating certain behaviors in a single person due simply to the fact that he shares superficial features with groups who share a certain culture. In the case of the Japanese, many white Americans likely did not think the Japanese considered America their real home and assumed them at least somewhat loyal to Japan because they looked like the people of Japan. So there was probably quite a lot of understandable distrust of the Japanese-Americans. Some vehicle was needed to diffuse the natural tensions resulting of this distrust. It should have existed long before the trouble began, but I scarcely doubt anyone thought along these lines back in the early to mid 1900’s. So racist contingents were able to combine the open racism then common in America, with fear; and the result was the camps. We are in the same essential situation today, though most of us appear unwilling to admit it. When our children begin to die with some regularity, then you will begin to see the truth even as the Dutch, the People of Tolerance, are seeing it today. If nothing is done to directly and honestly confront the problem, I see nothing but a bloodbath in the works. So I think you are both acknowledging what happened, and backing off a little from it. Not in the least. I am trying to acknowledge the truth as much as I can see it. You know, there were plenty of Americans who were just these dear, naïve, white-haired folks who would never seek to harm Japanese-Americans in a million years. But when their sons were slaughtered and they were told of the “Jap Menace” lurking offshore, well, these folks lost their heads a bit. I suspect many of them had no real desire to go on a hunt for Japanese. They just wanted to be protected, to listen to Glen Miller and buy stuff. Since they were told the camps would take care of the Menace, they accepted, perhaps even welcomed the camps-- and that was that. I have a hard time putting white hoods on every single American of those days. The racism was a cultural fixture that exists in some ways even today; but it did not necessarily manifest itself in the hearts of individuals in so black and white a manner that we can sum the situation up as “evil white devils hated poor Jap victims and went out to plunder them.” There were legitimate fears at play, and I think some of those fears were exploited. We had no reason except a long standing racism (I've posted a link to a document on that subject) and the hunger for scapegoats to do what we did, and if the issue had genuinely been a security one, it could have been handled differently. It was handled as it was because those citizens looked like our attackers, and scapegoating feels good to some people, even though it is evil. Can’t really argue with this. But I think it is incomplete. There were some understandable reactions to the Japanese due to cultural pride and some legitimate fears that resulted of Pearl Harbor. These were joined to racism and it brought about the camps, even Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I think America needs to understand racism and that she has never made a serious effort to do so. We have only muddied the issue with a bunch of leftist guilt and victimization. Everyone wants to feel good and no one wants to look hard and honestly at themselves. The truth is not as awful as it seems. I tell you the truth. Racism in nature, does not exist – not at all. If we could really get underneath the truth about it, to see it for what it is, then we would not have these weird situations. Racism is just ignorance of self, just like abortion, homosexuality and all other corruptions of human identity.