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To: Johannes Pilch who wrote (660468)	11/15/2004 12:40:34 PM
From: willcousa	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

Of course the President at the time could have avoided all of the interment mess if he had cared to.

To: Johannes Pilch who wrote (660468)	11/15/2004 4:12:12 PM
From: J. C. Dithers	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 769670

Racism in nature, does not exist – not at all. That is an interesting statement. Do you think cats and dogs generally get along well? I am presuming you were equating racism with "specie-ism." I have pondered how my Goldens know they are dogs. They certainly do know, as they instinctively socialize with other dogs (strangers) but ignore horses, sheep, raccoons, goats, and other species they occasionally encounter in farmlands around us. They chase cats for no particular reason I can think of except that they are cats. I have owned a dog and cat at the same time, and it was necessary to discipline the dog until he grudgingly resigned himself to the cat's presence. I think when rescued wildlife is released back to the natural environment there is always concern about whether the animal will be accepted by his peers; a wolf pack for example. I think this is true for all animals who can only survive as members of a group. I remember an Animal Plant episode where a lone wolf was tracked for weeks, constantly being rejected (attacked, actually) by packs it approached. I also think unusual variations of an an animal such as an albino are often rejected, even by the mother. Moreover, I think there are no known examples of animals of different species living together as a group, say coyotes and wolves, or horses and buffalo. This would tell me that animals are very racist by instinct. Of course different species can live together in the same jungle, say lions and tigers, but still they live distinctly apart and never socialize. In short, it seems to me that there is no melting pot in nature. I only bring this up because I love animals and your observation caught my attention. Additionally, I think "racism" has become a pejorative term spoken often, but rarely defined as to its exact meaning. Did you have something else in mind with respect to "racism in nature?" BTW, I thought you made some very good arguments with respect to the internment.

To: Johannes Pilch who wrote (660468)	11/16/2004 6:49:44 PM
From: E	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

We have differences on this subject, but so many fewer than I would have expected to have with you, and until you get to the end where you say "Racism in nature doesn't exist," which is merely a metaphor of some sort that can be interpreted as suits, and "Racism is just ignorance of self, just like abortion, homosexuality and all other corruptions of human identity," which I would call 'silly' except that the results of such primitive superstitions are so cruel, I think this it's a pretty good essay. Good enough so that I think, unless I change my mind (!), I think I'll let this lie, for now, at least. I do want to acknowledge thinking maybe you aren't entirely insane. How's that for a compliment? Sorry, JP, it's the best I can do, taking into consideration the paranoid, egomaniacal "corruptions of human identity" conceit! For a while, there, reading, I was impressed, though. You can enjoy that you undoubtedly blew the minds of a few people by (partly) stepping out of character, mine included (almost). Don't bother to write the "I'm not stepping out of character" post; just figure I've read it already and save yourself a bit of trouble.