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To: J. C. Dithers who wrote (660545)	11/15/2004 4:23:06 PM
From: George Coyne	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

Interesting questions, but I would think racism in dogs, for instance, would equate to discrimination between , say, Goldens and Poodles. (Why does the expression "In like a tall dog" come to mind?)

To: J. C. Dithers who wrote (660545)	11/16/2004 12:32:22 AM
From: Peter Dierks	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

There is racism among the animal world. You need look no further than the squirrels that live in your mature trees, and in the forests around our homes. Two common varieties are red squirrels and black squirrels. In ranges frequented by both, little racism exists. In the western part of the range for black squirrels, red ones will not mingle or mate with the black ones. I wish I was making this up.

To: J. C. Dithers who wrote (660545)	11/16/2004 9:24:22 AM
From: Johannes Pilch	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 769670

This would tell me that animals are very racist by instinct. We’ve here simply confused the concept of species with that of “race” Different species do indeed exist in nature. It is a binary matter that dogs and cats cannot interbreed, but Great Danes and Dachshunds certainly can. Species exist. Races do not. In short, it seems to me that there is no melting pot in nature. There most certainly is. But, you see, in nature there are no arbitrary restrictions on who can breed with whom. If two entities can breed and they find themselves in close enough proximity to one another, they usually breed, no ifs ands or buts about it. As a result, where species are concerned, the pot is so melted, it looks like a singular pea soup. Occasionally, however, in that pot we do see entities that differ and yet that still get on with the rest of the pot. Hunting in the woods I sometimes come across a piebald buck or doe photos.deerfarmer.com ,for example. The creatures get along with “normal” deer just fine, though they differ in color. Eventually, the pot goes back to pea soup. Did you have something else in mind with respect to "racism in nature?" Yes. I have in mind the idea of one group of creatures rejecting other groups that are genetically and morphologically the same as the first group, and can even interbreed, differing only superficially – such as in the hair, feathers or skin. We must be careful to understand that even if animals do practice racism (which is rare even it takes place), animals are brute beasts who, unlike us, do not know what they are and cannot ever learn what they are in nature. As a result, animals eat their young, steal wives, commit adultery, polygamy, murder and genocide, this, as a matter of course. Because these actions take place in animals is no reason for we, as beings with the capacity for self-awareness, to justify them in ourselves. Civilization is ultimately the construction of society with laws that reflect and preserve our biological identity. As we better learn what we are and then alter law to reflect it, we become by this definition more civilized. When I say racism does not exist in nature, I mean that when we look at humanity in its genetic essence, under the "microscope," as it were, we see that humanity is fundamentally One Interbreeding Thing. That is what nature has decreed about us. So then if we should develop laws forbidding two entities within our human set from doing what nature has decreed, we simply act contrary to what we are in our essence. We are acting contrary to nature. This is the very meaning of incivility. Racism does not exist because race does not exist. Racism is merely the result of self-ignorance and barbarity. We may validly part with groups because of culture (because some cultures, Islamic cultures, for example, are just not as human as others), but to reject people purely on some bio-illogical basis is to contradict the natural truth of humanity found under the microscope.