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To: tsigprofit who wrote (13756)	11/16/2004 4:18:27 PM
From: Coz	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20773

"Agree with you on the debt issue Ray. Terrible really, but the public can't get excited about it right now it seems..." Here is an interesting lecture by an economist pointing out that America is already bankrupt. It's just a question of how long it takes for the dollar to become completely worthless. --Coz mitworld.mit.edu

To: tsigprofit who wrote (13756)	11/16/2004 5:05:39 PM
From: Raymond Duray	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 20773

tsigprofit, Re: So, are you now pessimistic, or optomistic since we will have Bush II? I don't put it in those terms. Recently I spotted a bumpersticker that sums up my view very concisely: "IF YOU AREN'T OUTRAGED, YOU HAVEN'T BEEN PAYING ATTENTION" Speaking ironically, I'm optimistic that there will be many more Fallujahs. I'm optimistic that we'll be breaking all records for unsustainable national indebtedness, I'm optimistic that more "Enron-like" corporate meltdowns are in the offing, I'm optimistic that there will be rioting in the streets of America, I'm optimistic that the "Dominationists" will continue to spread their wings and their poison. theocracywatch.org And I'm optimistic that Bush will get away with it all because of one party government. *** Re: Condi in 2008? McCain? How far will the trend here go Ray? How high the debt? First of all, I'm appalled that Bush would have the gall to put such a degenerate super-hawk as Condi Rice in the State Department. She will trash the place, just as Porter Goss is doing vast damage at the CIA today. What we are witnessing is a Stalinist purge of the ministries. The greatest "sin" according to this ugly tryannical mindset is disloyalty. You can lie, cheat, steal and destroy the social fabric of the United States, but you dare not tell the truth about George Bush in this Orwellian world. McCain? McCain is remaining in the Senate for just as long as he cares to. He plays the role of a tonto utile in that institution. He's McCain's modus operandi laid bare for all the world to see: booknotes.org Remember, the trend is your friend. And that a body in motion tends to remain in motion, until counterforce is applied. Since the Democrats offer a counterforce equivalent to a girl's school pillow fight, you can expect the trend to continue until one-party rule becomes totalitarian rule. The debt? Oh, we aren't even close on that yet. You'll know that we've maxed out the debt once Social Security, Medicare and dozens of other well-meaning but "unaffordable" programs are abandoned and the military-industrial-congressional complex is so corpulent on eating the flesh and blood of its own citizens that it finally explodes in an orgy of final war. Remember the "Dominationists"? They're crazy, of course, but they are also on course.