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To: Knighty Tin who wrote (21934)	11/17/2004 4:40:42 PM
From: yard_man	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 110194

was that a racial slur -- something about being domesticated or something like that??

To: Knighty Tin who wrote (21934)	11/17/2004 4:52:33 PM
From: yard_man	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 110194

found it -- westerncourier.com I understand the comment -- and I certainly think Powell lived to please Bush, but I don't think he liked it. I think Belafonte's attitude is very much defeatist. To be sure, Powell's history is one of going along to get along -- predictable for somebody who rose so high -- thing that is interesting to me -- is that even he found there was a limit to what he could go along with. To me, even that, is an interesting story.

To: Knighty Tin who wrote (21934)	11/19/2004 1:16:08 PM
From: Thomas M.	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 110194

Sad to say, but I think Harry Belafonte had Colin tagged correctly. I totally disagree. You are forgetting that Powell's creed is the utter antithesis of The Busheviks (within the narrow spectrum of mainstream American politics). Sure, Powell didn't get his way often. But he is the ONLY moderate who EVER exerted any influence over Bush (when he & Blair convinced Bush to go the UN). To me, that incident proved that Powell was NOT a lightweight. Sure, Powell had to do Bush's bidding most of the time. But that is true of every moderate, regardless of race. In contrast, I think Belafonte is dead right about Rice. She is a total lightweight who was appointed specifically because she is a lightweight. Josh Marshall nailed it: <<< ... So is Bush moving to the right or the center in term two? Wrong metric. He's moving to exert greater control. Look at the pattern. Neither Ms. Rice nor Mr. Gonzales are the neo-cons' or the conservatives' choice for their respective offices-to-be. In each case they're acceptable; but no more. What distinguishes each is their connection to the president, their loyalty and their fealty. Neither has any base in the city or standing anywhere else absent their connection to him. And in appointing them he has placed the State Department and the Justice Department under his direct and unmediated control as surely as the various members of the White House staff already are ... >>> talkingpointsmemo.com Tom