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To: aladin who wrote (87268)	11/19/2004 4:09:49 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 794521

The most overtly racist place I have ever lived or worked in was Boston. It was unexpected. I remember the problems Boston had--they made the national news and dragged on and on--and being surprised by them. I was living in the south for the first time in my life at the time and getting a taste of that. Nasty business, it was. His comment was Liberal racism is what he sees in Boston. To liberals racism only exists in the South or inner cities. OK, I'll accept that. But, for the record, "liberal racism" is a term of art and it doesn't refer to that. That's plain, old-fashioned, regular racism, the kind that looks down on and discriminates against blacks, aka conservative racism. Liberal racism is the term given to the kind of backhanded racism inherent in liberal policies and attitudes that assume that blacks can't compete even up. There was mention of googling so I assumed that's the context in which the term was being used, that plus the examples. If you google on "liberal racism," the first item returned is a book by that title: Liberal Racism: How Fixating on Race Subverts the American Dream by Jim Sleeper. Take a look at this godawful place in which C. Rice is taking a beating for, among other things, her looks and her scholarly achievements ["affirmative action baby"]. That example is one of "conservative racism," which likewise can be practiced by liberals. The examples cited of Rice and Bush's baby are not racism at all but rather politics as usual. However, taking those comments as racist is a companion of liberal racism--the automatic finding of racism in any criticism of a black person. If this is going to be the hot topic moenmac expects it to be, we need to get our terminology squared away.

To: aladin who wrote (87268)	11/19/2004 4:23:39 PM
From: Bill	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 794521

I've lived in eight U.S. cities and spent a good amount of time in about a fifty others. Boston is no more racist than any other big city IMO. Of course, forced busing, where white students from South Boston were shuttled to Roxbury and black students from Roxbury were shuttled to South Boston, disturbed the delicate racial balance of the city starting in the 1970s. White flight followed. BTW, the Celtics were the first team in NBA history to hire a black head coach.

To: aladin who wrote (87268)	11/19/2004 8:30:54 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 794521

I've never been to Boston, but I've seen more racism in the New York area than in VA. Most of the racism that I saw in NY wasn't violent repressive angry racism, but just a casual thing, sometimes expressed only vaguely. There didn't seem to be hatred behind it but just a vague air of racial superiority/inferiority., combined with statements like "this used to be a good neighborhood before it "went black". Tim