To: Elroy Jetson who wrote (16381 ) 11/20/2004 3:21:30 AM From: mishedlo Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 116555 I beg to differ. Money AMS is money supply not rate of change of money supply. Please read that article a bit more carefully. I had to read it twice to make sure. He was talking about the rate of change in his argument BUT money AMS is money supply not the rate of change. Damn. I just had to edit this post. Where is his chart of actual AMS? He talks about AMS which is his definition of money, but never shows a chart of it! He does show a chart of the rate of change of it but that is NOT the actual definition of money AMS! I can not tell you based on that chart if money AMS actually declined and I do not think you can either. ================================================= The problem of double counting is also not resolved by the money of zero maturity definition of money (MZM)—a relatively recent money supply definition. The essence of MZM is that it encompasses financial assets with zero maturity. Assets included in MZM are redeemable at par on demand. This definition excludes all securities, which are subject to risk of capital loss, and time deposits, which carry penalties for early withdrawal. In short, MZM includes all types of financial instruments that can be easily converted into money without penalty or risk of capital loss. [1]Observe that MZM includes assets that can be converted into money. This is precisely what is wrong with this definition, since it doesn't identify money but rather various assets that can be easily converted into money. In short, it doesn't tell us what money actually is and where money is located, which is what a definition of money is supposed to do. This must be contrasted with the Austrian School of Economics Money Supply definition (money AMS) that aims at identifying what money is and where it is located in an economy.[2] In contrast to MZM money, the AMS definition doesn't deal with assets that can be converted into money but rather with money. The AMS definition only counts the amount of money and doesn't include various forms of investments, which are in fact credit type transactions. (Credit transactions emerge when Joe lends his $1,000 to Bob, i.e., he temporarily transfers the ownership of the money. Also, when Tom invests his $1,000 he is engaging in a credit transaction since he transfers the ownership of the $1,000 to the issuer of a financial paper).Since the money AMS definition deals only with money it does a much better job in the assessment of the likely direction of economic activity and financial markets than various popular definitions of money will do. Take for instance the period 1991–92. During this period the Dow Jones Industrial Average increased by 11.3% in 1991 and 11.2% in 1992. This increase could not be explained by M2 and M3 definitions. From a rate of growth of 5.5% in 1990 the money M2 rate of growth fell to 3.7% in 1991 and 1.9% in 1992. There is, however, no problem with money AMS. After growing by 3.1% in 1990 this monetary measure grew by 6.3% in 1991 and 11.6% in 1992. Similar to various popular money supply definitions, money AMS is also presently displaying a visible fall in growth momentum. After rising to 8.2% in July this year, the yearly rate of growth of money AMS fell to 5.8% in November. This visible softening in the growth momentum is likely to undermine various activities that sprang up on the back of the previously rising growth momentum of money AMS. In other words the diversion of investable resources or the diversion of the pool of funding from wealth generating activities toward nonwealth generating activities is likely to ease. ============================================================= here is my original link on the subject. It will contain links to von misesMessage 20782032