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To: Sully- who wrote (87986)	11/23/2004 6:19:48 PM
From: Bill Ulrich	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793550

It doesn't matter if I myself, would say something -- I wasn't there. There apparently was one gun between the 8 so "unarmed" is perhaps not accurate. I was merely remarking that any untoward remarks wouldn't necessarily surprise me. And what was said holds less importance for me, than the physical events. Anyway, here's Vang's first-hand account: abcnews.go.com "According to Vang's story, he got lost while hunting on public land and ended up in the vacant tree stand a raised platform used by hunters to see deer and shoot down at them. Vang told investigators he did not realize he was on private property. Landowner Terry Willers approached, asking why Vang was there and pointed out he was on private property. Vang said he told Willers he had not seen any "no trespassing" signs, climbed down from the stand and started to walk away. Vang said he heard Willers call on a walkie-talkie, and five or six men on all-terrain vehicles approached a few moments later. Vang said the group surrounded him, and some used racial slurs. He said that he was told to get off the property, and as he started walking away, he turned back and saw Willers point a gun at him from about 100 feet away. He told investigators he immediately dropped to a crouch, and Willers shot at him, the bullet hitting the ground 30 to 40 feet behind Vang. Vang said he removed the scope from his rifle and began firing, continuing to shoot as the group scattered. He said one of the victims, Joey Crotteau, tried to run away, but Vang chased him, got within 20 feet and shot him in the back. Crotteau, 20, was killed. Willers was wounded and was listed in fair condition Tuesday. Vang said as he began to run, an ATV with two people drove past and he fired three or four times, causing both people to fall off the machine. He said that he looked up the trail, saw that one of the men was standing, yelled, "You're not dead yet?" and fired one more shot in the man's direction. He said he did not know if he hit the man or not. Vang said he then ran away."

To: Sully- who wrote (87986)	11/23/2004 6:21:43 PM
From: ManyMoose	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793550

These things have a way of escalating from "Please get off our tree stand" to something that could approach a racial comment. Nothing justifies Vang's response. Nothing.