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To: unclewest who wrote (88007)	11/23/2004 8:27:07 PM
From: Oral Roberts	Respond to of 793548

There will be no evidence of alcohol. We don't assume we have altercations in the woods around here. We assume someone was injured by accident. Perhaps we should stop assuming and start laying waste?

To: unclewest who wrote (88007)	11/23/2004 8:27:07 PM
From: DMaA	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793548

You'd shoot an unarmed woman in the back? Real tough guy. Stop trashing the victims you fool.

To: unclewest who wrote (88007)	11/23/2004 8:35:46 PM
From: ManyMoose	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793548

That's why I don't hunt with guys who start with a stack of cases in their camp. When I was on patrol up the Lochsa years ago, I encountered some of those kind of guys. Back from the woods at 9 am, drinking beer around the fire. They behaved OK, but I wouldn't hunt with them. Do you think there is some aspect to that incident in which the participants were victims of their own stupidity? My interest in self-defense is to retain the principle, but I don't think I'm very well-suited to react in the same way you would. You are trained; I'm not. I would have to behave accordingly. I did take some low-level law enforcement training once in which we rehearsed potential field situations. I'm sorry to report that I got killed at every station. I simply don't expect to see bad guys in the woods. I see PLENTY of guys with firearms, and they are all just like me, hunting. When I walk into somebody's camp, I open my action and ask permission to approach. In general, I think it's a good principle that goblins should not be too sure whether any particular person is armed or not. People who wish to break into my house should be assured that I am.

To: unclewest who wrote (88007)	11/23/2004 9:06:15 PM
From: Augustus Gloop	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793548

<<The gang mentality makes people stupid...any evidence of alcohol would help convince me they were acting stupid. Men who drink together get stupid together. It happens all the time.>> <<They had to have been stupid, they raced to an altercation in the woods unarmed. Nobody even had a sidearm...more stupidity>> Nobody has suggested there was alcohol involved - nobody! Furthermore, the people who "raced" to the scene probably thought they were going to a simple hunting accident. As of now only Vang has suggested that anything other than he was asked to leave actually happened. What I would label as stupid would be rushing to a hunting accident packin' heat

To: unclewest who wrote (88007)	11/23/2004 9:16:12 PM
From: Augustus Gloop	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793548

From the Madison Wisconsin news site Suspect In 6 Hunters' Deaths Says They Called Him Racist Names Six Hunters Slain, Two Injured POSTED: 8:23 am EST November 23, 2004 UPDATED: 5:45 pm EST November 23, 2004 HAYWARD, Wis. -- The suspect in the killings of six Wisconsin deer hunters says they shot at him first. Documents filed in court Tuesday reveal that Chai Vang, 27, told investigators that he was shot at first, after some of the victims called him racially derogatory names. Vang is an immigrant from Laos. A judge set bail at $2.5 million. Vang was arrested about four hours after the shootings Sunday, as he emerged from the woods with his empty semiautomatic rifle. Officials said Vang and the hunters argued over Vang's use of a hunting stand on private property. Members of the Hmong community in St. Paul, Minn., where the suspect lives, held a news conference Tuesday to condemn the killings. Vang is a member of that community. Vang’s relatives said they don't know what went wrong Vang’s relatives visited him briefly in a Wisconsin jail. Vang's brother said he doesn't believe the reports about Vang, because he's "one of the nicest persons." His brother said, "Maybe something provoked him." He said Vang is a father of six and served in the U.S. Army. A woman describing herself as Vang's cultural wife said she's "in shock." A Minnesota lawmaker who's also an immigrant from Laos said reports that cultural differences played a role in the shooting are probably wrong. In her words, "He's probably crazy." Police said the shootings followed a dispute over the use of a tree stand on private property. A sixth hunter died Monday night from injuries suffered in the shooting. Two other people who were wounded in the attack remain hospitalized. Two other people were wounded in the attack in northwest Wisconsin Sunday. Authorities said the shooting happened after the trespasser, carrying a semiautomatic rifle, opened fire on the hunters and didn't stop until his 20-round clip was empty. Although authorities do not know why he allegedly opened fire, there have been previous clashes between Southeast Asian and white hunters in the region.