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To: neolib who wrote (152620)	11/24/2004 6:02:14 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

OT What is so difficult with embedding a cheap CCD camera with an interlock to the trigger of a gun so the shot is recorded, even if only a single frame, timed a few msec after the shot is taken? 1 - There are hundreds of millions of guns you would have to retrofit. 2 - The cameras could effect the balance of the gun, or have other negative effects such as increasing the size and weight even, depending on how they are interlocked to the trigger mechanism, decreasing the reliability. 3 - The picture would probably be very bad, the gun barrel might be moving, the camera would have to be small and rugged. 4 - It would be easy to tamper with or disable the camera or its memory. If your skilled you might even be able to do so without leaving obvious signs of tampering. 5 - What happens when the memory on the camera is full. A small cheap camera would not have a lot of memory. What if I shoot someone and then fire off a few hundred, or a few thousand if that's what it takes additional rounds? Either later shots write over earlier pictures (in which case the evidence is now lost), or they don't (in which case I just fire a bunch of shots before I go murder someone). 6 - In addition to tampering with the device it probably would be possible for a sophisticated person to tamper with the stored pictures showing things that were not in the picture or removing things from the picture. Then you have false evidence of guilt or innocence. , but if you put a value of $100K/life, then there could be around $2b/yr in the USA. This implies that your proposal will save 20 thousand lives per year, a very dubious assumption IMO. Tim

To: neolib who wrote (152620)	11/24/2004 6:59:21 PM
From: Wayners	Respond to of 281500

Is this something the police will have on their weapons? If the police take a pass, so will I.

To: neolib who wrote (152620)	11/24/2004 9:13:26 PM
From: arun gera	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

OT Go one step further. Whenever a gun is fired, an e-mail is sent out to a central registry containing information about the time, GPS coordinates, and registration number of the gun. The technology is nearly there... >What is so difficult with embedding a cheap CCD camera with an interlock to the trigger of a gun so the shot is recorded, even if only a single frame, timed a few msec after the shot is taken? It requires new guns all around, or retrofits for older weapons, so yes, there are significant $ involved, but if you put a value of $100K/life, then there could be around $2b/yr in the USA. Such a system could easily sell for under $100/gun, so that is 20m guns/yr updated. Technically it is doable, politically is a much different matter.>