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To: epicure who wrote (14163)	12/1/2004 11:22:49 AM
From: Dan B.	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20773

Re: "People ARE there government" I'm not enamored of the wording there. Sounds very wrongheaded to me. I'm sure as hell not my government, for instance. Re: "Every little Red Guard was a real live Chinese person. That is why people can change governments when they want to." I think you should ask around on this one. Just a tad unrealistic, IMO, except that when people come to common enough agreement, an otherwise controlling government may worry enough to improve things, a bit. People don't easily change governments which rule by force, as a rule, IMO, to wit, Re: "our founding fathers changed our government- and I understand how and why they did it quite well," I'm sure you'll concur that the American Revolution was in fact unpopular with the majority of the people at the time. This is a fascinating thought-provoking reality then, no? Re: "and I've no idea where you are coming from." I'm suggesting it is a truism that Individual Freedom works, for all times. Individual Freedom is what our founding fathers spelled out, and fought to give us. Governments which are slight on Individual Freedoms simply cannot be so good for thier peoples as a decent Republic such as ours can/could. What the people in fact think, i.e. whether they understand this so that it is a popular notion, is of little consequence to the positive functioning of a government based in Individual Freedom(again, witness the good consequences of the unpopular American Revolution). Re: "Sometimes whole populations (or most of them) want the "freedom" to live under totalitarianism- lots of Russians, for example, look back on communism with nostalgia. Are they "right"? Who knows." Well, I believe, if you couldn't tell, that I know indeed. Which was my point in the prior post. You don't know Freedom Works. I beleive, therefore, that you are easily led astray in these discussions. But you are not alone. I believe that today, LONG after the American Revolution, the masses in America STILL have not come to the truth of just how well Freedom Works, and the people therefore don't demand it enough. Re: "freedom, needs to contain the seeds of its own possible destruction- or it is not real freedom, for it precludes the choice of being non-free. Now that's a complex issue" Well, yes it is complex. Needlessly so however. Real Freedom cannot exist where by definition it is not being practiced(some totalitarian system someone is nostalgic for, for instance). Freedom Works while other stuff doesn't so well at all, and it really doesn't matter what people think of the matter(freedom is good for the common man, non-the-less). Forgive me if I spoke of what was natural for you, even if I feel you've confirmed it with your reply, per the above. Hey, I'm just trying to make what I feel is the most important point the great unwashed masses of the world need to learn. Yes, Freedom Works, Dan B.