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To: carranza2 who wrote (152788)	11/28/2004 5:16:49 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

hello hellooooo "US Army General Charles Dunlop saw the coming wave years ago while serving in Somalia: "I was struck," Dunlop says, "by the resourcefulness, cleverness and fierceness of the Somalis in confronting us" even though they had only primitive weapons and were often starving. Dunlop warns, America underestimates "the combat capability of societies we had considered too resource-poor to challenge us." Us army General Charles Dunlop is the man you disagree with. I was quoting that "gal" who was quoting him. Do you think Dunlop is "overheated" and "nuts" too? Address the facts. Fact is General Dunlop said what he said. Fact is Somalis don't have a lot of cash, and even if they were trained by Al Qaeda, that doesn't make them less fierce, less clever, less poor, or less primitive (compared to us especially. I happen to think the stuff used in 9/11 was pretty primitive- and yet...it worked, which is kind of the point). Your PBS bits don't disprove General Dunlop's comments, except, obviously, in your mind. I don't know why you fight this so hard. The messenger doesn't matter- it't the message that is important. And I don't think the general said they were gallant freedom fighters- I wish you would try not to make things up in your post. It certainly make your posts much less credible. And what DO you think about soldiers calling home? I saw that on the news- and thought that the news that our soliders were calling home to complain about conditions, supplies, etc, was a PR disaster. I notice you don't even address that. It is hard to address, I think, because the point made is a good one.

To: carranza2 who wrote (152788)	11/28/2004 11:24:33 PM
From: Sun Tzu	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

Here C2, don't feel too bad, here is a different source you can answer to. And this one is quite respectable. The question however remains exactly the same. ST matt.devost.net October 4, 2004 - PSYOPS SOMETIMES THE DRAGON WINS: A Perspective on Information-Age Warfare Colonel Charles J. Dunlap, Jr., USAF The views and opinions expressed in this presentation are those of the author alone and do not necessarily represent those of the U.S. Government or any of its components. Introduction I want to take this opportunity to thank the sponsors of this conference for providing me the opportunity to share my views with such a distinguished audience of international experts. At the outset I must caution you that I use the phrase "my views" literally. Everything that I say is my opinion alone and does not necessarily represent the views or opinions of the United States Government, the U.S. Department of Defense, or any of its components, including U.S. Strategic Command. My presentation this afternoon will center on an article I wrote last January for the Weekly Standard entitled "How We Lost the High-Tech War of 2007: A Warning from the Future." In writing it, I was influenced by my experiences serving in Africa during our relief efforts in Somalia. I was struck by the resourcefulness, cleverness, and fierceness of the Somalis in confronting us. With that experience as a starting point, I theorized about the broader issue of what impact information-age technologies might have on the less-developed world, especially as the cost of extremely capable and easy-to-use information systems continues to fall. I wondered to what extent cheaper technology might affect the combat capability of societies we had considered too resource-poor to challenge us...What I tried to do is put myself in the position of a potential adversary some ten years in the future and postulate how war might be waged against a high-tech power. In setting the scene for my fictional war I made a number of assumptions: ...