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To: carranza2 who wrote (66003)	11/30/2004 2:13:36 PM
From: Mac Con Ulaidh	Respond to of 71178

I like what they say in AA about a higher power. Maybe that is something a strong atheist could agree with? But it brings all in with an acceptance. The higher power can be a tree. Or the group. Or whatever. It's just the idea that there is something greater than ourselves that we can look to when we have nowhere else to look. I wonder at people who never feel that need, but I reckon they aren't drunks. :) Bill W and Dr. Bob did not want anyone to miss out on the freedom from drink. And Bill W didn't put much stock in God, but Dr Bob did. But Bill W did acknowledge that something was at work that day when he called Dr Bob and started, finally, on a road to freedom. Just thoughts your post brought from me. <ss>

To: carranza2 who wrote (66003)	11/30/2004 2:17:32 PM
From: Rambi	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 71178

though I am struggling with the notion that "God" is something so incomprehensible that its existence might be too easily discounted given our paltry minds and senses. YES! I know exactly what you mean! (Or at least, I know exactly how what you said meant something to me!) I didn't remember that about the remission. I read Surprised By Joy, and what I recall is how furious he was when she did die, and how long it took for him to accept it. If I consider that enormous incomprehensible force, I find I have to leave behind almost all the manmade ideas of miracles and saving grace and hellfire, all the boxy things that I think man created. It's the only way I think I will ever get back to something resembling a belief. You have just given me a SPLENDID idea for Dan's gift!!! A PERFECT idea! Two years ago, I gave him Band of Brothers and we all watched it and it was the best family time ever. We often talk about belief when the boys are here and they are now old enough to really enjoy something like this! I am SO excited!!! ORdering NOW!

To: carranza2 who wrote (66003)	11/30/2004 9:49:53 PM
From: JF Quinnelly	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 71178

I recall reading that a small disturbance in the manner in which the Big Bang took place would have lead to a dead universe with no stars, no planets, and no life. A very special, very narrow set of physical conditions beginning with the Big Bang were required to create life and, ultimately, consciousness. I am no scientific expert, and obviously cannot argue the point logically, but if this is true, then the fact that we are conscious beings is indeed remarkable. This is called "the anthropic cosmological principle", and Oxford publishes a book on the subject: amazon.com