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To: Bill who wrote (90179)	11/30/2004 5:39:13 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

However, if you look to "intent"- which I have to say, a lot of conservative judges mumble on about frequently, you can find a lot of intent surrounding the establishment clause. And Malone is well worth reading. I think this is my third read for some of the volumes. I bought the set 12 or 13 years ago.

To: Bill who wrote (90179)	12/1/2004 2:02:58 AM
From: wonk	Respond to of 108807

..Of course, all that Jefferson and the other framers believed personally didn't make it into our Constitution...but what made it into the Constitution were the words ratified by the states. In regards to religion, if one only focuses on the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment, then one might have an argument. However, recollect that the Bill of Rights was meant to reinforce by specific intent matters generally agreed upon in drafting the Constitution, though perhaps not included in sufficiently precise language. This made it in and was ratified: U.S. Constitution, Article VI, paragraph 3: The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States. As is clear from the above, Article 6 was binding for not only Federal Offices, but also on all the States. The intent was clear. Its also clear why the text of the Oath of Office doe not include “...so help me God.” As for Jefferson, He drafted Virginia’s Statute of Religious Freedom which is still part of the State Constitution today. Be it enacted by the General Assembly, That no man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burthened in his body or goods, nor shall otherwise suffer on account of his religious opinions or belief; but that all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinion in matters of religion, and that the same shall in no wise diminish enlarge, or affect their civil capacities. usinfo.state.gov The preamble to the Statute is a scorcher. Powerful words. Probably why Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson have never made an issue of prayer in school in their home state.