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To: Maurice Winn who wrote (66050)	12/2/2004 5:29:33 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 71178

. . . . human-loving supernatural deity . . . . vs. . . . . humans are just another primate . . . . I don't think you've exhausted all the options. Given the vastness of the Universe, God may not give mankind any more (or less) attention or notice than a quark, a quantum, an electron, an atom, a molecule, a grain of sand, a planet, a solar system, or a galaxy.

To: Maurice Winn who wrote (66050)	12/3/2004 12:06:17 AM
From: JF Quinnelly	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 71178

jfred went in a moment from logic to some undefined God, which usually includes praying for a new TV or some other benefit, such as victory over Osama and his less impressive God. Not so, Mq. I didn't morph anything. There is no problem in my logic. What you are challenging is my definition, not my logic. But I'm using commonplace definitions you can find in most any philosophy text, definitions going back at least to Aristotle. The idea that a 'God' has to play Cargo Cult to his adherents is a particular and limited case, it's not a basic definition. The God of Deism doesn't answer prayers. Nor does the God of the Stoics, assuming they actually claimed to have a God. You don't get to limit the God-definition to the Cargo Cult variety, you have to deal with the more basic definitions. Prime mover. First Cause. Uncaused cause. The appeal to logic as 'God' is a simple exercise that challenges the claims of 'materialism'. Logic is not material, but it exists. And it also has other interesting qualities. It appears to exist outside of time. It appears to be self-defining and self-existent, not dependent upon anything else.