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To: Grainne who wrote (91814)	12/20/2004 6:31:50 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

We went on the nicest hike today- and saw a whole family of deer (a polygamous family) run across the path right in front of us. The kids were thrilled. We saw a buck with his 6 fine ladies. There is no hunting where they live, so the deer are quite tame (for deer). To see them bounce across the path at 1:30 in the afternoon was a real treat. We have a great park near us full of ancient sycamore trees- and full of wildlife. A great place to picnic and hike.

To: Grainne who wrote (91814)	12/21/2004 12:46:23 AM
From: Sully-	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

Blow up the children when we attack and blame it on us. CENTCOM - INSURGENTS TARGET CHILDREN OF RAMADI CAMP RAMADI, Iraq – An Army unit assigned to I Marine Expeditionary Force, discovered and defused an explosive-laden youth center in Ramadi Nov. 4, which was rigged by insurgents to detonate and potentially kill dozens of Iraqi children. They also discovered more than two tons of explosives hidden in a mosque. The discoveries were made during a sweep of the city looking for improvised explosive devices. After a thorough investigation of the youth center, the Soldiers discovered that the explosives were rigged to detonate three ways: through a light switch, a remote control and by wiring that ran from the youth center to the nearby Al-Haq Mosque, where the unit discovered the firing mechanism.

To: Grainne who wrote (91814)	12/21/2004 12:52:11 AM
From: Sully-	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

11/12/2004 CAN'T WIN FOR LOSIN' By Cori Dauber Notice something missing in the coverage of Fallujah? There's been virtually no mention of civilian casualties, so little in fact that I've been hearing reports mention how much care US forces have been taking to try and avoid destroying buildings in the city (except for NBC's Kevin Sites, who is irresponsibly using the term "scorched earth policy," perhaps because he hasn't a real clue what it means. If we truly had a scorched earth policy there wouldn't be American forces risking their lives on the ground in Fallujah right now because there wouldn't be a Fallujah right now -- just a smoking pile of rubble.) I believe there are two reasons for this change compared to last April. First, the decision to start operations by taking control of the hospital, so that there's no way for terrorists to pressure doctors (or doctors on their own hook) into preening for the cameras, especially al Jazeera's cameras. And second, of course, is the fact that almost all of the civilians were given the chance to get out of town before the shooting began in earnest. So, what happens? The battle, despite the fact that it's obviously going well, is being described as all but a failure, not because Fallujah isn't being retaken, but because the effort to retake it was "telegraphed." Listen, in fact, to how many news reports, from how many different outlets, all use the word "telegraphed." Where did that come from, where did they get that? And not one of those stories that I've heard or seen has bothered to explicitly make the point that, in a world where everything is a tradeoff, letting the big fish know we were coming and giving them the chance to get away was the price paid for giving the civilians a chance to get out of Dodge. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 'Hostage Slaughterhouses' Found in Fallouja From Associated Press 7:52 AM PST, November 10, 2004 NEAR FALLUJAH, Iraq — Iraqi troops have found "hostage slaughterhouses" in Fallujah where foreign captives were held and killed, the commander of Iraqi forces in the city said today. Troops found CDs and records of people taken captive in houses in the northern part of Fallujah, Maj. Gen. Abdul Qader Mohammed Jassem Mohan told reporters. "We have found hostage slaughterhouses in Fallujah that were used by these people and the black clothing that they used to wear to identify themselves, hundreds of CDs and whole records with names of hostages," the general said at a military camp near Fallujah. He was unsure if the hostage records included the names of any of the at least nine foreigners still in the hands of kidnappers -- most notably, British aid worker Margaret Hassan, French journalists Christian Chesnot and Georges Malbrunot and an unidentified American worker for a Saudi company. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~