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To: cosmicforce who wrote (14751)	12/20/2004 7:16:30 PM
From: redfish	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 20773

I am an isolationist, I don't see many real world examples of where getting involved in the affairs of other nations have done a whole lot of good.

To: cosmicforce who wrote (14751)	12/20/2004 7:35:59 PM
From: Raymond Duray	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 20773

cf, Re: You must have had a school bully, right? Appeasement didn't work. One of my fondest memories of my grade school years is of an incident where I finally got frustrated with the taunts of a bully and put him down in a chokehold which convinced him to not mess with me ever again. That was a purely defensive maneuver on my part. On a national level, you could say that I infinitely prefer the military posture of Switzerland to that of the U.S. aggressors. 'Defense' is not an Orwellian bit of doublethink in Switzerland, as it is in the U.S. What I'm trying to tell you, on a global scale, is that you are daft when it comes to understanding the role that the U.S. is playing in the world today. We are not defending ourselves from enemies. The Bush Administration is the criminal aggressor and the government is using a stunning degree of deceit (psyops, propaganda and disinformation) in order to bring along a really dim-witted population to acquiesce to the will of a criminal elite. Before we discuss how benign U.S. military interventions are across the globe and especially in regions with highly desired natural resources, you need to spend the time to understand this 3 hour documentary: commondreams.org news.bbc.co.uk Transcript: web.telia.com Once you come to grips with the truth being told here, you'll be forced to modify your notions about "enemies". Frankly, I'm quite disappointed that you don't already understand that the real enemy of the American public is a domestic enemy. It is, in fact, a criminal enterprise that is at the heart of the military scheming for imperial assaults across the planet, sold to the American public with a never ending stream of BIG LIES about phantom enemies. It is completely naive to speak of foreign enemies when the real enemies of the American people have succeeded in stealing our own government from within. *** Re: If you simply don't care about the human conditions in the world, then an isolationist approach works. Imperialists always hypocritically claim noblesse oblige and the betterment of mankind is their only desire. As John Perkins points out in "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man", tinyurl.com , America has NEVER intervened for humanitarian goals. The American elites have continuously sought commercial or financial advantage in every "missionary" adventure they have ever engaged in. Here's another case in point: antiwar.com The very best thing that the U.S. can do for the world today would be to dismantle its military, fix its finances, and go about healing the huge and unnecessary harm that the elites are imposing on the working poor of this nation.