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To: Chas. who wrote (14771)	12/21/2004 7:04:37 AM
From: redfish	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20773

"our tribe or their tribe....." False dichotomy. I'm neither of your tribe nor of their tribe, and never will be.

To: Chas. who wrote (14771)	12/21/2004 8:32:52 AM
From: Raymond Duray	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 20773

chuck, Re: that is the part you dont understand Ray...... I understand perfectly well the inclination toward tribalism. This is the sort of racial exclusivism that goes into the formation of groups like the KKK, the German SA or SS, the Russian Oprichniks, the Skinheads, etc. I do understand perfectly well how awfully things have turned out in history when excessive tribalism runs amok. This is why American involvement in Iraq is so evil. Because such quagmires unleash the very worst in people. A bloody-thirsty hyper-nationalism at home, and a bloody series of atrocities in places where we've illegally and immorally interposed our priggish military forces because of nothing more than misguided greed and aggressiveness. You are the one who is completely misguided. Not me. Taking your insane grasping and greed based existence to its extreme, you end up with hyper-liars and moral monstrosities like Richard Perle on the Defense Policy Board. The man is utterly corrupt, a total fraud and a despicable criminal. And here's his words, notice how much they are the same delusions that you adhere to: "If we just let our vision of the world go forth, and we embrace it entirely and we don't try to piece together clever diplomacy, but just wage a total war... our children will sing great songs about us years from now." --Richard Perle, interviewed by John Pilger, 2003 This, sir, is the definition of criminal insanity. This is what you MUST start to understand now! If the world were to hold a new Nuremberg Trial and today's war criminal were prosecuted, it would be men with your attitude who would be found guilty of crimes against humanity.