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To: Chip McVickar who wrote (4748)	1/6/2005 4:15:05 PM
From: robert b furman	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 12411

HEHE, Average wind speed 50 mph. I guess parasailing is almost an international sport. Bob

To: Chip McVickar who wrote (4748)	1/7/2005 11:30:01 AM
From: Kirk ©	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 12411

"But in climbing mountains it's the elevation gained that counts and some of these require traversing 3800-4300 ft to put a foot on a summit." Hmmm... I have to respectfully disagree. Out here on the West Coast, I've done some hiking. A fun one is about 3200 ft from sea level to the highest peak in Santa Clara County where we can see the ocean on one side and the Sierra Snowpack and Yosemite some 200 miles away on a very clear day. That hike is nothing compared to climbing from 8,000 ft to 11,000 ft due to so much less human gasoline, otherwise known as Oxygen, available at the higher altitudes. I did one of those hikes after College and I recall my first day camping before starting the backpack trip we were winded just walking to the creek for water to wash. We decided to stay dirty and washed up the next day when we were more used to the altitude (we drove up from sea level.) I've never done it, but my friends in Colorado talk about going from 10,000 or so feet to 14,000 ft! It is considered quite a feat to hike all the 14,000 ft. mountains in CO. When I've flown in my friend's private plane, we were REQUIRED to use oxygen to fly at over 10,000 ft. We forgot once and got quite a headache that took a few days to figure out what caused it. You can actually get mountain sickness at only 6,000 ft! From allstar.fiu.edu "Hypoxia is the effects of an insufficient supply of oxygen to the body. The early signs of hypoxia generally begin at 10,000 feet. U.S. Air Force aircrews must use supplemental oxygen when the cabin pressure of the aircraft reaches this altitude. " At 14,000-18,000 ft, you only have 40% the oxygen available at sea level: outdoorplaces.com So, a 4,000 ft climb starting at 2,000ft is much different than the last 4,000 ft at Mt Everest. I think you guys should get awards for hiking is such cold!