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To: TimF who wrote (155433)1/6/2005 10:04:13 PM
From: Sam  Respond to of 281500
 
Ignorance and Illogic About Iraq

by Darrell Dow
As 2005 proceeds, I predict that the mess in Iraq will depart from American consciousness, overtaken by the media's fixation on Michael Jackson.

The lack of knowledge about events on the ground in Iraq is stunning. With no end yet in sight, let's ponder the consequences of the Iraq war so far: (1) over 1,300 dead and more than 10,000 wounded American servicemen; (2) between 17,000 and 100,000 dead Iraqi civilians; (3) over $200 billion down the rathole; and (4) an incalculable loss in U.S. moral authority around the world.

Despite these costs, there has been very little public debate over Iraq policy. Indeed, the 2004 election saw more discussion and raw partisan anger over the Vietnam War than the Iraq imbroglio.

One particularly disturbing report that emerged during the election was a survey by the Program on International Policy Attitudes (PIPA). According to PIPA, 72 percent of Bush supporters believed that Iraq had actual "weapons of mass destruction" or a major program for developing them. Also, 75 percent of Bush supporters believed that Iraq was providing significant support to al-Qaeda, and 63 percent thought clear evidence had been found proving the linkage. These folks are obviously listening to too much Hannity and Limbaugh, not to mention watching entirely too much Fox News.

In the Jan. 17 edition of The American Conservative, William Polk describes the situation in Iraq:

"Leaving aside Kurdistan, where roughly a quarter of all Iraqis live, Iraq is a shattered country. Its infrastructure has been pulverized by the 'shock and awe' of the American invasion. Few Iraqis today even have clean drinking water or can dispose of their waste. About 7 in 10 adult Iraqis are without employment. Factories are idle, and small shopkeepers have been squeezed out of business. Movement even within cities is difficult and dangerous. And the trend in each of these categories is downward. Iraq's society has been torn apart, and perhaps as many as 100,000 Iraqis have died. Virtually every Iraqi has a parent, child, spouse, cousin, friend, colleague, or neighbor – or perhaps all of these – among the dead. More than half of the dead were women and children. Putting Iraq's casualties in comparative American terms would equate to about one million American deaths. Dreadful hatreds have been generated."

How many Americans would recognize such a description?

In the Dec. 16, 2004 issue of the New York Review of Books, Michael Massing surveys media coverage of Iraq and finds that, "while there was much informative reporting on the war, a number of factors combined to shield Americans from its most brutal realities."

One problem for journalists is that, with the deteriorating security situation, it is largely impossible to cover the war with any degree of accuracy, meaning that many journalists simply rewrite Pentagon press releases.

In one particularly stunning revelation, Wall Street Journal foreign correspondent Farnaz Fassihi sent an e-mail to friends and family that ultimately made its way to the Internet. Fassihi describes the perilous conditions facing reporters in Iraq:

"Being a foreign correspondent in Baghdad these days is like being under virtual house arrest. Forget about the reasons that lured me to this job: a chance to see the world, explore the exotic, meet new people in far away lands, discover their ways and tell stories that could make a difference.

"Little by little, day by day, being based in Iraq has defied all those reasons. I am house bound. I leave when I have a very good reason to and a scheduled interview. I avoid going to people's homes and never walk in the streets. I can't go grocery shopping any more, can't eat in restaurants, can't strike a conversation with strangers, can't look for stories, can't drive in anything but a full armored car, can't go to scenes of breaking news stories, can't be stuck in traffic, can't speak English outside, can't take a road trip, can't say I'm an American, can't linger at checkpoints, can't be curious about what people are saying, doing, feeling. And can't and can't. There has been one too many close calls, including a car bomb so near our house that it blew out all the windows. So now my most pressing concern every day is not to write a kick-ass story but to stay alive and make sure our Iraqi employees stay alive. In Baghdad I am a security personnel first, a reporter second."

It was amusing and maddening to see the unvarnished, unedited thoughts of Fassihi, who had (she was placed on sabbatical after the e-mail) the job of actually covering the war rather than watching it on CNN while sipping cocktails on the Upper West Side or in Georgetown. The Wall Street Journal has become the house organ of neoconservatism, carrying on about "social engineering" at home while praising the forcible reconstruction of Islamic civilization abroad.

The standard line from the crowd at Fox News and the WSJ editorial page is that there is much good in Iraq that the liberal media isn't reporting. But like Fassihi, Australian journalist Stephen Farrell points out that a lot of bad news doesn't see the light of day either because, "Kidnapping, looting, criminal opportunism, and xenophobia make it simply too dangerous for Western journalists to visit many areas."

Massing doesn't even discuss the role played by two newer media, talk radio and the blogosphere, both of which are heavily populated by "conservatives" who have never met a foreign war they didn't embrace with religious fervor.

Another segment of the media that has mindlessly trumpeted the administration line on Iraq is the phalanx of Christian-oriented media, from talk shows and weblogs to magazines.

In a recent article in Baptist Press, an anonymous reporter says, "American foreign policy and military might has opened an opportunity for the Gospel in the land of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. God is moving here, and Southern Baptists are responding." Considering that the writer feared for his/her safety when publishing the essay, can it really be the case that American power is bringing stability and safety to Iraq? Never mind.

Even missionaries are getting into the act. Rick Leatherwood, president of Kairos International, blames the media for Coalition problems in Iraq. "This war in Iraq might have been over 10 months ago if those trying to bring freedom to Iraq had not had to overcome the efforts of the media as well as the terrorists. As it is, the media has encouraged the insurgents and has undermined the Coalition at every turn.... Here lies a tragedy the world does not know." Per usual, it's those "pinkocommielibleftwingamericahating" journalists who are the problem.

A number of prominent Christians couldn't even bring themselves to condemn the abuses at Abu Ghraib – unless they could get in a well-deserved dig at the degradation of American culture and the feminization of the military. Marvin Olasky and Joel Belz at World Magazine saw fit to defend Donald Rumsfeld during the Abu Ghraib fiasco. According to Olasky:

"Rumsfeld is not responsible for the perverse acts of a few: Given man's sinfulness multiplied by wartime pressures, every war brings out evil conduct, and only now are digital cameras and Internet advances throwing instant light on dark corners. Rumsfeld should be fired if he tried to hinder the investigation, and should otherwise be encouraged to take whatever vigorous action is needed to guard against future incidents."

(As an aside, elsewhere Olasky asks, "What if the Iraq War stopped being a right vs. left issue, as it has largely become? What if more people realized that support for basic human dignity means support of efforts to remove from power, when possible, those who deprive their own people of human dignity and threaten ours as well?" Could Marvin show me exactly which article of the Constitution authorizes our government to "remove from power" those "who deprive their own people of human dignity"? And what the heck does that mean, anyway?)

Belz said that, while there may be room to criticize Rumsfeld and the Pentagon,

"They are not primarily responsible for the coarsening of a culture that took place for a generation and more leading up to the unveiling of such wicked acts. Listen carefully just now. It's a bit too easy to charge all this to the account of those immediately responsible for the policies of the Iraq war. It's more to the point right now to remember who has been opening the doors to all this cultural poison in the first place."

The diminutive Gary Bauer went even further, noting that the "media and political frenzy" has,

"[S]piral[ed] out of control … because there are a whole lot of opportunists, as well as outright enemies of the U.S., who want to exploit the problem and harm our nation or use it to serve their own narrow political purposes. There is no reason we should permit these Middle Eastern propagandists working for al-Jazeera TV and other stations to claim the moral high ground. They are nowhere close to being able to sit in judgment of us. [But] worst of all [are American politicians who] without any consideration of how it might harm the nation to fire the Secretary of Defense when we are in the middle of a war … are attacking Rumsfeld, but their real target is Bush. … The odds of us being hit [by terrorists] before the November election grow by the hour, but don't tell grandstanding senators – they are too busy beating up their own country."

When we can't get Christians to condemn torture, it is unlikely they will soon reexamine the war in light of traditional teachings on Just War Theory.

For some evangelicals, opposition to war in Iraq is equivalent to standing athwart Christ's imminent return for His Church. According to Tim LaHaye, the theologian behind the wildly popular apocalyptic Left Behind series, Iraq is likely to be a "focal point of end-times events." According to Agape Press:

"The author and theologian says the war to liberate Iraq will pave the way for that nation eventually to emerge as a world power. As the region comes into its own, he says the people of Iraq will want to develop a distinct identity and in the last days old Babylon will become a sort of 'Switzerland' for the world, a neutral country.

"According to LaHaye, in chapters 38 and 39 in the book of Ezekiel, the one Arab nation not mentioned among those that come against Jerusalem when God destroys Russia and the Arab world, is Iraq. He says scripture suggests that Iraq is going to rise to prominence, but 'won't be involved in that awful destruction that will solve the Arab problem temporarily.'"

Sounds to me like LaHaye is interpreting Scripture based on what he is reading in the Washington Times or seeing on MSNBC, but I'll leave that judgment to others better schooled in the mysteries of eschatology. But it is clear that LaHaye's scheme doesn't really leave room for dissent on the Iraq question. After all, we are on the Lord's side, right?

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To: TimF who wrote (155433)1/10/2005 8:51:21 PM
From: Bilow  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Hi twfowler; Re: "I never said it would be a cakewalk or even indirectly suggested it would be."

I agree. I said that the Iraqis would fight us by guerilla war in the cities and that we would eventually have to pull out in ignominy after a long and bloody occupation. You said that you didn't know for sure, but you doubted we'd stay long, and you were worried about Saddam getting nukes.

History has shown that my expectation of guerilla war in the cities was fulfilled. Even now, people who supported the war 2 years ago are saying that we should pull out after the elections and let the country do whatever it likes. The occupation continues, with a new high in the number of US ground troops, and new highs in US fatalities. My expectation is that if we do withdraw after the elections, the resulting government will be rather unfriendly to us, and less fearful of us than Saddam was, in that they will be convinced that they have beaten us on the ground.

Bilow, April 27, 2002
Iraq is not even a long term risk to the security of the United States.
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Yes, after bombing the crap out of the Iraqis, our proudly marching troops are going to be greeted by cheering crowds in Baghdad, glad that we got rid of Saddam Hussein. BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!! LOL!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! What a fantasy.

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Bilow, April 27, 2002
The last thing we want to do is to attack Iraq and then have to put up with 20 years of warfare against guerillas infiltrating from 4000 miles of border. Iraq makes Vietnam look easy.
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twfowler, in reply
That a big exageration. No jungle, better technology, no superpower help of Iraq, less political restrictions on our military once we do commit, and most of all nobody that will support Saddam as strongly as the Vietnamese communists pushed for a reunified communist Vietnam. BTW I'm not saying it would be simple, or even that we should do it, merely that it doesn't "make Vietnam look easy".
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Bilow, in reply
Re: "No jungle ..." That's the lesson that the Iraqis presumably learned in the Gulf War. If they learned their lesson (and who knows, they may not have), then future warfare with the US will be in the cities. Cities are not more suited for the US brand of warfare than jungle. In fact, jungles are somewhat easier as you can put together free fire zones that are against the rules of war in a city.
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Bilow, April 30, 2002
I have no doubt that we can take Baghdad, and that the above description [Stalingrad] does not apply. Instead, my doubt is in the question of whether or not we can pacify it. These are not small cities filled with people who are chafing under the rule of a hated foreign elite like the Afghanistani cities were. This is a proud and (in their eyes) used to "freedom" and self rule. They are not going to put up well with being under US occupation any better than the Palestinians have put up with Israeli occupation. Note that our troops in Afghanistan are there by invitation.
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twfowler, in reply
I undersand and agree with your point that we have to look at worst cases, but I think you are saying or at least implying that the worst case or something near to that is a forgone conclusion. I agree with the idea that it could be a mess and I understand that the possibility of such a mess might be a good reason not to go forward, but I disagree with your apparent assumption that it will be such a mess. The mere possibility might be enough for me to entirely rule out the option if it wasn't for 1 - The liklyhood that if we do nothing that Saddam will get nukes, and 2 - The violations of cease fire agreement giving us justification for an attack. Even with those I am still undecided at this point. I don't think we will have an extended occupation except perhaps at the request of some new government. I don't think anyone in the current administration plans to or even seriously thinks about making Iraq in to a colony. I also don't think Saddam is any more popular then the Taliban was. I don't think most of Iraq feels that free, and the Shia's and the Kurds don't feel they have self rule. I understand that people can and have fought hard for an abusive dictator but I don't think most of the Iraqi army will be that motivated in this case. (Of course the Republican Guard may be a different story and its a lot more powerful then the Taliban's forces where).
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-- Carl

P.S. By the way, the papers are reporting that Powell had stated, before the administration decided to begin claiming that Saddam was working on nukes, that Iraq was disarmed and no longer a threat. You were one of many that bought into that administration lie. By comparison, here is what I was saying before the war, about WMDs in general, not just nukes in particular:

Bilow, February 16, 2003
"Does Iraq have WMD or not?"
My guess is that they do not, but I don't know for sure.

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Bilow, February 18, 2003
The evidence in favor of Iraq is in the orders that have clearly come down from Saddam. Iraq has allowed inspectors into the Palaces, provided lists of scientists, etc. All these things are verifiable evidence that Iraq (not every Iraqi citizen or soldier, but the country as a whole) is submitting to inspections. This is what Iraq has been asked to do. In comparison to this solid evidence of a decision to disarm from the very top, the evidence that Powell provided is simply too weak to counter.

What Powell needs to do is to arrange the capture of one of those mobile weapons labs, if they exist.

The whole concept makes me laugh, since I know how big weapons factories typically are. It takes 10 tons of chemical weapons to kill a single soldier in combat (as of the Iran / Iraq war), so the concept that you're going to manufacture significant amounts of weapons in the back of a truck is ludicrous. Weapons factories are huge enterprises. Only assassins (or terrorists) can make weapons in the back of a truck, and there are plenty of weapons that are not WMDs that are just great at assassination.

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