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To: LKO who wrote (58497)	1/8/2005 5:04:28 AM
From: energyplay	Respond to of 74559

Comparing religeons to long distance companies is a wonderful analogy....

To: LKO who wrote (58497)	1/8/2005 10:59:01 AM
From: RealMuLan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

First, I do not consider I am on the high moral ground (everyone is guilty of some bias, including you and me), so don't judge me according to your own value/standard; Second, Taiwan belongs to China, period!; Third, Dalai is a political monk, many Tibetans do not care about him either (go to Tibet and do some of your own survey before coming back arguing with me); Fourth, Falun gong is a cult organization. You can also consult Jay on this. Since all of the above political activities are illegal in China, so it is natural that you are going to be send to the jail if you engage in them. Yes, in case you do not realize this: China is a different country on another continent, and they do have their own law and legislation.

To: LKO who wrote (58497)	1/8/2005 2:52:40 PM
From: arun gera	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

> More power and money to them. THere was a time I switched long distance companies every few months and made money while doing that. :-)> Are you willing to change your religion for money right now? What price? I think that mankind has not changed very much for millenia. The most primitive men worshipped their ancestors. So do 95 percent of people today. How many people go out and consciously change religions? Most people will stay with their parents religion unless there is extreme pressure to change. Religion is introduced in childhood at a stage when the child has strong emotional attachment to the parents. (I notice that most religious people have a childlike belief in the myths of their religion, like believing in Santa!) So unless their is a serious conflict with the parents at a later stage in life, a person rarely explores other religions. -Arun

To: LKO who wrote (58497)	1/8/2005 3:08:12 PM
From: arun gera	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

>You are defending the sensibilities of an unban educated India. But I have no problems believing the story where an upper caste snooty family will have problems sleeping to a Dalit family. That India too exists. Even today.> Does an upper class snooty person in the US goes to the same parties as the person in the hoods. And no cliques will form when they all get together in times of trouble. Don't you watch Survivor? <g> I realize that India has stronger class differences than the US. I am not disputing that. All I am saying is some elements of the media are playing up these minor problem. The West (and Indian media does that too) wants to look at India only through the lens of Hindu- Muslim or caste differences. They should not be that lazy and do actual reporting not just strengthen the prejudices of the Western audience. Are you seeing any good stories about people helping other people in India without the help of "foreign aid". How often do you hear that? And you seem to have an awareness about India. Tell me truthfully. Don't people in India help each other in times of trouble? Do they call it charity? Do they spend time patting themselves in the back all the time that they helped someone in trouble. -Arun

To: LKO who wrote (58497)	1/8/2005 3:17:06 PM
From: arun gera	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

>The Red Crescent Society exists because in some Islamic countries it is illegal to proselytize and they take the same paranoid view of the Red Cross as a christian symbol as you are taking. In most places, regardless of the religious origin, the red cross is not a religious symbol.> I am not taking the view that Red Cross is perceived as a religious symbol. The evidence seems to be contrary as Yiwu and you have indicated. However, you cannot deny that it has some religious origins and possibly some subconscious affiliations. To those who are not Christians, the Red Cross still needs their money and so will not go all out to make them think otherwise. For Christians, the brand is already deeply internalized. How many christians do you think have been donating to the Red Crescent? Do they think that it is equivalent, even though the two organizations are equivalent as you say? How many Christians will donate to the Red Trident? -Arun