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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (155622)	1/8/2005 2:55:07 PM
From: KyrosL	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Nadine, the vast number of Saddam's killings were during the Iran-Iraq war, a war he started with the tolerance, if not encouragement, of the Reagan-Bush administration. The dead of that war on both sides far outnumber (by an order of magnitude) any killings Saddam did after 1991. As for what the "left" had to say about post-1991 Saddam killings, if I remember correctly, one of the main exposures of those killings was done via an extensive PBS documentary. At least that's how I became aware of them.

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (155622)	1/8/2005 3:18:23 PM
From: carranza2	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

I read your argument with ionesco with interest. Seems to me that it is all a matter of who do you hate the most. The Left hated Saddam when he was a so-called ally of the US, then noticeably reduced the heat when the time came to go after him. But I think that the Left's problems with Bush's actions in Iraq are really a mixture of a lot of things. In my view, the most important factor is a very personalized one, namely, a visceral hatred of Bush which trumps Saddam's misdeeds. This business of "risk calculation," etc., is ex post facto balderdash. It's the same [I suppose] psychological dynamic we saw during the Vietnam war, with LBJ and Nixon being the goats instead of W, while the Vietcong's atrocities were seriously minimized and, in fact, made glamorous.

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (155622)	1/8/2005 3:52:22 PM
From: epicure	Respond to of 281500

Isn't that funny? I find it amusing that people whined and fretted about the Lancet article. It's always hard to stack up the bodies in a way that pleases everyone isn't it? It didn't sound to me like the article was saying that mass graves was an invention. It made it sound like people with a POV they desperately want to sell go overboard, and make irresponsible statements - and the left certainly does that, so does the right, and so do you, as we see so often on SI.