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To: arun gera who wrote (155715)	1/9/2005 4:36:02 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Arun, "Gassing his own people" is one of his alleged crimes. But Kurds aren't "his" people and when there are uprisings, all governments, including the USA [Kent State, David Koresh] kill as necessary to restore order, including bulk killing of anybody getting in their way. In the USA civil war [a more equivalent situation to Saddam's civil war against Kurds and Shiites] there was no doubt some civilian death. In collective war, governments also kill bulk civilians. Note what happened to Hiroshima - weapons of mass destruction no less. Now THAT was mass murder!! The problem is a lack of international law and olde style nationalistic territorial alpha male dominance hierarchy tribalism based on murder and other violence. Torture is a matter of degree. The Americans conducted torture, even to the extent of causing death. But deliberate terrorizing and cruelty are a continuous line, like pregnancy, and so the USA was just a little bit pregnant, not full term. Mqurice

To: arun gera who wrote (155715)	1/9/2005 4:36:15 PM
From: jlallen	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Since there is no parallel between abuses at Abu Gharib which are being prosecuted and establishing and running a repressive police state such as Saddam's why would it be appropriate to prosecute Bush? I would be interested in the "logic" behind such a silly post.... J.

To: arun gera who wrote (155715)	5/17/2005 11:24:55 PM
From: stockman_scott	Respond to of 281500

Media Coverage of Intelligence Manipulation Reflects Public Acceptance of Imperial Presidency commondreams.org <<...The U.S. presidency has become so powerful compared to what the nation’s founders had intended that the public has come to expect that the chief executive and his entourage will lie to us for our own good—even on issues as vital to the republic as war and peace. In fact, the people, through their representatives in Congress, no longer have a real say through a declaration of war, whether the nation engages in violence or remains at peace. In recent conflicts, in contravention of the founders’ constitutional intent, the president has usurped such decisions and the docile Congress, if asked at all, usually rubber stamps them...>>