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To: Lane3 who wrote (94890)	1/12/2005 11:40:27 AM
From: DMaA	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793755

It is irrelevant that gun ban laws are impractical to enforce. The problem is if you make a large number of citizens criminals, authorities can arbitrarily enforce the law on selected people for any number of good, bad, or corrupt reasons.

To: Lane3 who wrote (94890)	1/12/2005 11:50:20 AM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793755

Reality TV By Howard Kurtz Washington Post Staff Writer Wednesday, January 12, 2005; 8:59 AM "Welcome to Crossfire, I'm Right-Wing Ray." "And I'm Left-Wing Larry. In the crossfire: Did CBS do the right thing on the story about President Bush being coddled in the National Guard, which is so obviously true even though there were a few typographical problems with those memos?" "You Bush-haters won't give it up, Larry. The report is a whitewash. Dan Rather, that Clinton-loving Bush-basher, gets to stay at the network? And Andrew Heyward, who presided over this mess, gets to keep his job? Give me a break." "Ray, you just don't get it. CBS acted courageously by bringing in outside investigators, including DickThornburgh, who the last time I checked was a Republican." "But the report says there was no evidence of liberal bias. Come on! The Tiffany network is crawling with liberals. They wouldn't know fair and balanced if it smacked them in the tuchus." "I feel like smacking you, Ray. But let's move on. In the crossfire: Should Armstrong Williams have taken big bucks from the Bush administration to praise the president's education policies?" "Armstrong was just saying what he really believes about No Child Left Behind, Larry. You liberals just can't stand the idea that there are black conservatives." "Two hundred and forty thousand freakin' dollars? More like No Pundit Left Behind. The man is a sellout!" "You wish you could command that kind of price to sell out. Besides, it was for advertising. Don't you believe in the free market?" "I don't think pundits should sell their opinions, and I don't think George W. Bush should be buying off journalists." "Check your facts, man. It's Rod Paige who was buying off journalists. But let's move on. In the crossfire: Michael Chertoff--a good pick for Homeland Security, or Bernie Kerik with a beard?" "Chertoff was a junkyard dog as counsel to the Senate Whitewater Committee, Ray. He spent millions investigating Bill and Hillary and came up with bupkiss. This man's going to protect us from Osama bin Laden?" "After all these years, you're still carrying water for the Clintons. These are bad people, Larry. Remember Monica?" "Lying about sex is better than lying about weapons of mass destruction." "But--" "The Clintons lost money on the land deal." "But--" "The whole thing was a Ken Starr put-up job." "Chertoff was just doing his job. He's a fabulous prosecutor. He'll whip that place into shape." "I'd like to whip you into shape. Well, he might still turn out to have an illegal nanny, or multiple girlfriends, or dealings with the mob." "Dream on. Next in the crossfire: Crossfire. Why is CNN canceling the best debate show on television?" "Because our new president, Jon Klein, agrees with Jon Stewart that we're partisan hacks who are more interested in pounding the table than providing intelligent commentary, Ray." "Hogwash!" "Yeah, hogwash!" "You agree with me?" "Yes. I mean, no! That's not allowed on this show. Klein is right. Crossfire is taking democracy into the gutter in a desperate search for ratings." "Klein is just trying to please your liberal friends on the editorial pages who don't like the idea of conservatives getting equal time on TV." "That's a bunch of bull." "No it's not!" "Yes it is." "From the left, I'm Left-Wing Larry." "From the right, I'm Right-Wing Ray. Join us again for another edition of Crossfire--at least until they turn off our mikes." <snip>

To: Lane3 who wrote (94890)	1/12/2005 2:15:18 PM
From: KLP	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793755

kholt, for a second there, I thought you were describing how hard it would be to inspect all the houses in Iraq....For bio weapons or chem weapons.... >>>>>Sure. One house. Hundreds of houses. But every house in the US? Where would they get the manpower and the systems to do that? How many people and how many hours does it take to search one house that thoroughly? They'd have to divert the entire federal budget and workforce, military and civilian, to searching houses. And even if they did search your house that thoroughly and find your weapons, the next day your buddy would hide his weapons in your house rather than risk a search in his house. And so on. They'd never make a dent in the people's weaponry.<<<

To: Lane3 who wrote (94890)	1/12/2005 5:04:10 PM
From: haqihana	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793755

kholt, You are missing how the socialist mind works. To begin, they will find some gun owners, and give them a deal it they name other gun owners. As they seep throught the sewer, those that own guns, will be identified for them, and they will only have to search the homes of those the know have the weapons. Such a system snow balls until all of the guns are removed from the possession of every citizen. Then when the begin their stealing of the entire, gross national produc, there will be no one to interfere.

To: Lane3 who wrote (94890)	1/12/2005 5:04:41 PM
From: haqihana	Respond to of 793755

kholt, You are missing how the socialist mind works. To begin, they will find some gun owners, and give them a deal it they name other gun owners. As they seep through the sewer, those that own guns, will be identified for them, and they will only have to search the homes of those the know have the weapons. Such a system snow balls until all of the guns are removed from the possession of every citizen. Then when the begin their stealing of the entire, gross national product, there will be no one to interfere.

To: Lane3 who wrote (94890)	1/13/2005 10:01:43 AM
From: average joe	Respond to of 793755

"Where would they get the manpower and the systems to do that?" They don't of course but that is not the point. Witness the Canadian example where estimated system costs have gone from a few million dollars to over a billion. "When the gun registration law was passed in 1995, the government estimated that the program would cost $119 million. Gun registration fees were expected to bring in $117 million, with taxpayers picking up $2 million. The latest estimates say that by 2005, the costs associated with gun registration will actually cost $1 billion and that registration fees will raise only $140 million of that amount. That means the program will end up costing taxpayers $860 million, according to the auditor-general's report." cnsnews.com The point of the Canadian law can be summed up in this quote by a famous U.S. writer. "Did you really think we want those laws observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them to be broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against... We're after power and we mean it... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with." Say an act of contrition, you'll feel so much better. <g> catholic.net