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To: Neocon who wrote (156310)	1/14/2005 6:01:58 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

We're both wasting our time. The Pals have gotten folks like marcos to see their sufferings as they themselves see them - as pure, unadulterated, completely different in kind and quantity from anyone else on the planet, and only remediable by "justice", which by definition rules out any compromises. That 100 million people also became refugees in the 20th century, and the situation of the Arab refugees of Palestine was hardly unique - until the UN stepped in to "help" them - never enters their calculations. The way they figure it, it's all the fault of the Jews, so the Jews must pay for it all. They themselves are victims responsible for nothing. They were entitled to massacre the Zionists, and are not responsible for the consequences of their failed attempts to do so. Arafat of course fostered this attitude. We'll see if Abu Mazen can take any steps to end the cult of Palesitinian victimhood and irresponsibility.

To: Neocon who wrote (156310)	1/14/2005 6:04:33 PM
From: marcos	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

You don't seem to have made a case for bulldozing indigenous martian homes and olive trees, or killing martians, or even chasing them away with threats .... actually your whole first paragraph here appears a weak attempt to try again the old bullshit 'land without a people' propaganda, which you must know is pointless with anybody who knows anything about Palestine ... and this 'global government' nonsense - who the hell are a bunch of foreigners to be 'telling me to wake up'? ... they better wake up and read paragraph three in the martian constitution, 'Everybody better mind his own business and let the other guy mind his.' The zionists rejected partition as well, they wanted it all ... the Jabotinsky school even wanted land east of the Jordan, there was no limit to the spectrum of avarice ... upthread you say the arabs rejected the mandate, well no you meant partition, it was the brits who gave up on policing it under the mandate, they could no longer bear the costs ... then both jews and arabs rejected partition, and in the resulting struggle the great majority of casualties on both sides occurred on arab land, the great majority of arab forces never left arab land, so it will be exceeding difficult for zionists to pretend to the status of purely defensive innocent victims ... yes i have to go too .... cheers