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To: GST who wrote (156389)	1/16/2005 12:43:58 AM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

You have it backwards mike. Israel has a choice -- allow terrorism to derail the peace process or pursue peace despite the inability of Abbas to ensure Israeli security You keep talking as if the PA and the guys doing terror were different groups. In Iraq, they are. Everyone knows that the Allawi government and the Ba'athist insurgency are enemies. But, among the Palestinians, the terrorists and the PA are the same people, or close allies That simple fact reduces everything you say to utter nonsense. If you "move forward" (which by you always means Israeli concessions only) under terror, you reward the terror. Any two year old can understand that much! This isn't Martians doing the terror, it's Fatah and Hamas! You say "Abbas didn't order the terror". With Abbas you are probably right. But you said the same about Arafat, and you were dead wrong about him, and have never admitted it yet. But Abbas is now President of the PA, and if that means anything, it makes him responsible for the terror. If he isn't responsible, then it's no use to talk to him. If the name of the game is Israeli concessions with nothing given in return, then the Israelis should only talk to themselves and act unilaterally in what they judge are their own best interests. But if the name of the game is actual negotiation, then it's Abbas' job to step up to plate and do Step 1 of the Roadmap: end the terror attacks. Abbas has now travelled to Gaza to beg and plead with Hamas for a hudna. Not encouraging, especially as he keeps saying how he'll protect the terrorists and never fight them. Lots of leverage there, not really. Hamas will laugh in his face.

To: GST who wrote (156389)	1/16/2005 3:26:01 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Oh look. Abu Mazen went begging to Hamas for a hudna, and Hamas laughed in his face. What did I say? Abu Mazen is not going to be allowed to continue Arafat's game of collecting concessions at the negotiating table while he doesn't lift a finger to stop the terror and even funds and encourages it. That is just not good enough. He must choose between terror and negotiations. He can't have both. ________________ Hamas: No cease-fire deal By ASSOCIATED PRESS DAMASCUS, Syria The Islamic militant group Hamas is not ready to accept a cease-fire deal with Israel, a senior political leader of the Palestinian organization said Saturday. Mousa Abu Marzouk, deputy of Hamas' Damascus-based political bureau, said the radical group is currently opposed to calling a truce to its armed resistance against Israel, despite hopes that peace efforts could resume following the election of the moderate Mahmoud Abbas to the Palestinian presidency. "Our current position is against a truce. We are in a situation that does not allow us to accept a truce at this time," said Abu Marzouk told The Associated Press in Lebanon in an interview. Abu Marzouk suggested Hamas was amenable to Israel existing on territory it had claimed before the 1967 Mideast War, but not on lands it occupied during that conflict. But other Hamas leaders have said any such concessions would be temporary and that the militant group would continue its fight for the return of all land it considers Palestinian. "Israel is a state usurped from Palestinian people who have the right to their complete land and soil," said Abu Marzouk. "But this does not mean we do not accept the 1967 borders before Israel occupied the Palestinian territories in the 1967 Mideast War." Earlier this week, the top Hamas official in the West Bank, Hassan Yousef, said the group is ready to suspend attacks on Israel as part of a deal with Abbas, who was officially sworn in as president Saturday. But Israel severed contacts with Abbas on Friday following a Palestinian militant attack in Gaza a day earlier that killed six Israelis. "No doubt, we will not give up any piece of our lands or any of our rights," Abu Marzouk said. "Hamas's policy is still that Palestine, in its known geographic borders, belongs to the Palestinian people." Abu Marzouk denied that an Egyptian delegation currently visiting the Palestinian territories had discussed a truce among Palestinian factions, but added that a decision on whether to hold internal Palestinian dialogue would "likely" be made after the Egyptians leave. Although Hamas boycotted the Jan. 9 elections, Abu Marzouk said his movement would maintain contacts with Abbas, pointing out that contacts with him had been "regular" and uninterrupted. Abu Marzouk said, however, that Hamas rejects Abbas's demands to disarm. "It's known that Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the Palestinian resistance have carried weapons to defend themselves, to fight (Israeli) aggression and to resist the occupation," he said. "It is unacceptable that (Abbas) demands the Palestinian people remain unarmed." In his inaugural speech Saturday, Abbas did not directly say how he would deal with militants. But he has previously said he would use persuasion, not coercion. He reportedly told Arab foreign ministers in a letter that he would not use force against militants. jpost.com