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Politics : Liberalism: Do You Agree We've Had Enough of It? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Bearcatbob who wrote (1191)	1/18/2005 7:56:15 AM
From: lorne	Respond to of 224720

BearcatBob....."The only solution to radical Islam lies within Islam itself. Until they face up to the threat they will be doomed to a life of limited opportunity for they and their children. We can do nothing to solve the problem. The bordes of Islam bleed - think of that when someone says it is only Israel - lol - it is from the Phillipines to Alegeria - south to the Sudan and north into Europe."..... AGREED....And the USA in the process of defending itself and future generations is forcing so called moderate muslims to face up to the problem that exists within it's religion and that is muslim terrorists and fanatical mullahs which were spawned by and within islam. It is very sad that even one civilized person American or others must lose their life ridding planet Earth of this sick deadly virus. And IMO better that the main focus of this war against islam terror is in their yard and not ours.

To: Bearcatbob who wrote (1191)	1/19/2005 7:01:29 PM
From: lorne	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 224720

CHRISTIANS & MUSLIMS BRAWL By ERIN CALABRESE, JEANE MacINTOSH and LEONARD GREENE nypost.com January 18, 2005 -- An emotional holy war broke out yesterday on the streets of Jersey City, where Muslims and Christians clashed and lobbed insults at the funeral for a devout family of Egyptian immigrants who may have been slain for their religious beliefs. While mourners inside the St. George & St. Shenouda Coptic Orthodox Church prayed for peace in the wake of a murder that escalated religious tensions at home and abroad, fights erupted amid the crowd that spilled outside the church, where angry Coptic Christians pointed accusing fingers at their Muslim counterparts. Hossam Armanious, 37, his wife, Amal Garas, 37, and their two daughters, Sylvia, 15, and Monica, 8, were found dead in their Oakland Avenue home early Friday after relatives told police nobody had heard from them in days. Investigators said each victim was bound, gagged and stabbed in the neck, and the early focus was on anti-Muslim remarks Armanious made in a popular religious chat room after a relative said Armanious was threatened online for expressing his Christian beliefs. Officials said the religious persecution theory is still under investigation, but said some evidence points to robbery as a motive. Members of the city's Coptic community — many of whom left Egypt like Armanious to escape religious threats — believe there is a connection between their faith and the murders. That sentiment was expressed loudly by one parishioner inside who began yelling at Muslims, including a sheik, who attended the service. "Muslim is the killer," he said over and over before he was dragged from the church by five police officers who hustled him into an unmarked police car and quickly drove away. Tensions were high even before the first copper-colored casket arrived, when, during a procession to the church from Journal Square, family members asked mourners to put away anti-Muslim protest signs. But emotions really boiled over in the moments after the wistful service when a skirmish broke out as the four black hearses adorned with the victims' pictures were being loaded. Punches were thrown, people were shoved and police rushed in to break up the brawl that had moved up Bergen Avenue to a nearby parking garage. For a while, cops kept the crowd separated with a metal garage gate until they could restore order. "I think people here have fueled it," family friend Henry Simon, 35, said of the tension. ]"The sheik came at the wrong time. It's like spitting on their graves." Those too sad to be angry had kind words for the deeply religious family, especially young Sylvia, who died a day before her Sweet 16 party. Jersey City Councilman Steve Lipski recalled her unselfish work to help the destitute during Thanksgiving during a program sponsored by the church. "She was there with her big, bright beautiful smile trying to help people," said Lipski, one of several elected officials including current Mayor Jerramiah Healy and former mayor Bret Schundler. Sunday school teacher Miriam Fam read a poem the teenager wrote: "No more tears for me to cry. No more days where I have to lie . . . No more sadness to darken my day. No more rain to fog my daydreams. No more pain in my life. No more fear of getting killed with life's knife." Police said more than 1,500 people were on hand, far more than could fit in the church, which was standing room only yesterday. A reward of $100,000 is being offered by Coptic leaders for information that leads to an arrest and conviction. "It doesn't appear to be random," said Assistant Hudson County Prosecutor Guy Gregory. "It appears to be a specific act. Someone was able to gain access without forcing entry." Investigators learned that a relative of the victims had helped prosecutors in their case against Lynne Stewart, the lawyer charged with passing messages to followers of her client, blind Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman, a convicted terrorist ringleader. But sources close to the case said there is no connection between the relative and the murders.