Typical liberal MSM revisionism & straw man arguments.
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"We will never lower our heads as long as we live, even if we have to destroy everybody."
Saddam Hussein
So Where's the WMD? Anti-Bush partisans aren't listening to what David Kay is saying
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Saddam's WMD hidden in Syria, says Iraq survey chief
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Kay says some Iraq weapons in Syria: report
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Saddam agents on Syria border helped move banned materials
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Last fall the Iraqi Survey Group uncovered, quote, "significant information, including research and development of biological weapons, applicable organisms, the involvement of the Iraqi intelligence service in possible biological weapons activities and deliberate concealment activities."
All of this suggests that Iraq, after 1996, further compartmentalized its program and focused on maintaining smaller covert capabilities that could be activated quickly to surge the production of biological weapons agents.
The Iraq Survey Group found a network of laboratories and safe houses controlled by Iraqi intelligence and security services that contained equipment for chemical and biological research and a prison laboratory complex possibly used in human testing for biological weapons agents that were not declared to the United Nations.....
.......Before I leave the biological weapons story, an important fact that you must consider: For years the U.N. searched unsuccessfully for Saddam's biological weapons program. His son-in-law, Hussein Kamil, who controlled the hidden program, defected and only then was the world able to confirm that Iraq indeed had an active and dangerous biological weapons program.
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....The Iraq Survey Group found that two separate groups in Iraq were working on a number of unmanned aerial vehicles designed that were hidden from the U.N. until Iraq's declaration in December of 2002.
Now we know that important design elements were never fully declared.
The question of intent, especially regarding the smaller unmanned aerial vehicle, is still out there. But we should remember that the Iraqis flight tested an aerial biological weapons spray system intended for a large unmanned aerial vehicle.
A senior Iraqi official has now admit<ed> that their two large unmanned vehicles, one developed in the early '90s and the other under development in late 2000, were intended for the delivery of biological weapons.
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David Kay, head of the Iraqi Survey Group, has pointed out, there were ample opportunities before, during and after the war to hide or destroy evidence as well as weapons. We may never know definitively what Iraq had at the time the war began.
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Duelfer Report: Saddam Planned to Restart WMD Programs
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No one could read even a small portion of the report and conclude that "Iraq had no WMDs" is a fair summary of its contents.
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Pesticides, Precursors, and Petulance
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Investigative Report
Saddam's WMD Have Been Found
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Sarin, Mustard Gas Discovered Separately in Iraq
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Facts about Sarin, Binary Agents, and 155mm Shells
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From the Pentagon: Tests Confirm Sarin in Iraqi Artillery Shell
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The Significance of Sarin – Pt. II
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Binary munitions undeclared
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Pesticides, Precursors, and Petulance Revisited
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The sarin shell - from the top
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Tests Confirm Sarin Gas in Baghdad Bomb
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Iraq Survey Chief: More WMD Found
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What number constitutes a "stockpile"?
Warner: New report backs Iraq WMD claims
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Charles Duelfer, head of the Iraq Survey Group, said,
"a threat remains that chemical weapons could be used against
U.S. and coalition forces, noting information from earlier
this year that Iraqi scientists had linked up with foreign
terrorists in Iraq. A series of raids beginning last March,
Duelfer said, prevented the problem from 'becoming a major
threat."
and....
""Hussein's government retained data and personnel
knowledgeable about weapons, and used funds from the Oil for
Food relief program to upgrade his chemical industry so that
weapons materials could be produced once sanctions ended."
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Far from keeping Saddam in his box, as critics of the war claim, the Duelfer report from the Iraq Survey Group shows how the same nations from whom Kerry craves approval happily supported Saddam's regime:
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Iraq Survey Group head Charles Duelfer's report makes it plain that George W. Bush had good reason to go to war in Iraq and end the regime of Saddam Hussein. . . .
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Kay stated, "I must say I actually think Iraq -
what we learned during the inspections - made Iraq a more
dangerous place potentially than in fact we thought it was
even before the war".....
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Wilson now says Iraq DID seek uranium from Niger, Africa
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Iraq Hid Nuclear Program Intending On Rebuilding It
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At the snap of Saddam's fingers (Iraqi Nukes)
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Banned Arms Flowed Into Iraq Through Syrian Firm
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Saddam sought missile factory, Iraqi files show
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French connection armed Saddam (illegal weapons)
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More in France selling illegal weapons to Iraq.......
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Saddam Funded Terrorists - Duelfer Report
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Evidence Iraq Had Deal To Buy Uranium From Congo: Butler Report
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The Yellowcake Con
The Wilson-Plame "scandal" was political pulp fiction
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Putin: Saddam Planned Terrorism In US
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Yes, this war is legal
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Saddam paid off French leaders
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Many Helped Iraq Evade U.N. Sanctions On Weapons
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Powerful officials and their profiteering friends in France had a reason to try to stop the U.S. from overthrowing Saddam Hussein: they were pocketing billions in payoffs through a United Nations oil-for-food front.
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Duelfer Report: Saddam Bribed Jacques Chirac To Veto War
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Suitcases full of cash, secret bank accounts, covert operatives, corrupt politicians on the take. A report detailing alleged illicit U.N. Oil-for-Food deals with the former Iraq government paints a portrait of Saddam Hussein as an international gangster
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The real "coalition of the bribed" was at the U.N.
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JOHN KERRY'S 'ALLIES' — BOUGHT AND PAID FOR
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"Once bribed they stay bribed"
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In fact, David Kay just last fall said that the Iraq Survey Group, quote, "discovered sufficient evidence to date to conclude that the Iraqi regime was committed to delivery system improvements that would have, if Operation Iraqi Freedom had not occurred, dramatically breached U.N. restrictions placed on Iraq after the 1991 Gulf War."
We have also found that Iraq had plans and advanced design work for a liquid-propellant missile with ranges of up to 1,000 kilometers; activity that Iraq did not report to the U.N. and which could have placed large portions of the Middle East in jeopardy.
We have confirmed that Iraq had new work under way on prohibited solid-propellant missiles that were also concealed from the United Nations.
Significantly, the Iraq Survey Group has also confirmed prewar intelligence that Iraq was in secret negotiations with North Korea to obtain some of its most dangerous missile technology.
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WALLACE: Let's go to the first question, though. Why was the intelligence so wrong? Here were the president and his top officials, they were talking about specific amounts of stockpiles. Secretary Powell at the U.N. was talking about exactly how often various weapons were moved and precisely to what locations. Where were they getting this stuff?
DAVID KAY: Chris, I think you will find out, as you work back
through this process, a lot of the origin of this came
originally from U.N. It's the U.N. inspectors, which I was
part of. The amounts, the material balance accounts see
tons of stuff, actually originates in a 1998 report, the
last report of the U.N. special commission.
But it also — there are other things. Iraqi behavior —
even Hans Blix, when he undertook the inspection, came to
the initial conclusion that he reported to the Security
Council: Iraq has not made a fundamental decision to come
clean. So Iraqi behavior didn't help Iraq's case in this
regard.........
WALLACE: Right. You say that there were no weapons of mass destruction (found), but you also say that, in fact, Iraq was a very serious threat to this country. Explain.
KAY: I think Iraq was a dangerous place becoming more
dangerous, because, in fact, what we observe is that the
regime itself was coming apart. It was descending into
worse the part of moral depravity and corruption. Saddam
was isolated in a fantasy land capable of wreaking
tremendous harm and terror on his individual citizens, but
corruption, money gain was the root cause.
At the same time that we know there were terrorist groups
in state still seeking WMD capability. Iraq, although I
found no weapons, had tremendous capabilities in this
area. A marketplace phenomena was about to occur, if it
did not occur; sellers meeting buyers. And I think that
would have been very dangerous if the war had not
intervened.....
....Iraq remained a very dangerous place in terms of WMD
capabilities, even though we found no large stockpiles of
weapons.....
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DAVID KAY: In my judgment, based on the work that has been
done to this point of the Iraq Survey Group, and in fact,
that I reported to you in October, Iraq was in clear
violation of the terms of [U.N.] Resolution 1441.
Resolution 1441 required that Iraq report all of its
activities -- one last chance to come clean about what it
had.
We have discovered hundreds of cases, based on both
documents, physical evidence and the testimony of Iraqis,
of activities that were prohibited under the initial U.N.
Resolution 687 and that should have been reported under
1441, with Iraqi testimony that not only did they not tell
the U.N. about this, they were instructed not to do it and
they hid material.....
....the unparalleled looting and destruction, a lot of which
was directly intentional, designed by the security services
to cover the tracks of the Iraq WMD program and their other
programs as well, a lot of which was what we simply called
Ali Baba looting. "It had been the regime's. The regime is
gone. I'm going to go take the gold toilet fixtures and
everything else imaginable."....
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David Kay: ".......All I can say is if you read the total body of intelligence in the last 12 to 15 years that flowed on Iraq, I quite frankly think it would be hard to come to a conclusion other than Iraq was a gathering, serious threat to the world with regard to WMD."
"Iraq was in clear violation of the terms of Resolution 1441"
"In my judgment, based on the work that has been done to this point of the Iraq Survey Group, and in fact, that I reported to you in October, Iraq was in clear violation of the terms of Resolution 1441. Resolution 1441 required that Iraq report all of its activities: one last chance to come clean about what it had. We have discovered hundreds of cases, based on both documents, physical evidence and the testimony of Iraqis, of activities that were prohibited under the initial U.N. Resolution 687 and that should have been reported under 1441, with Iraqi testimony that not only did they not tell the U.N. about this, they were instructed not to do it and they hid material."
"Iraq was in clear and material violation of 1441. They maintained programs and activities, and they certainly had the intentions at a point to resume their program. So there was a lot they wanted to hide because it showed what they were doing that was illegal. I hope we find even more evidence of that."
"The world is far safer with the disappearance and removal of Saddam Hussein"
"I think the world is far safer with the disappearance and the removal of Saddam Hussein. I have said I actually think this may be one of those cases where it was even more dangerous than we thought. I think when we have the complete record you're going to discover that after 1998 it became a regime that was totally corrupt. Individuals were out for their own protection. And in a world where we know others are seeking WMD, the likelihood at some point in the future of a seller and a buyer meeting up would have made that a far more dangerous country than even we anticipated with what may turn out not to be a fully accurate estimate."....
Senator McCain: "So the point is, if he were in power today, there is no doubt that he would harbor ambitions for the development and use of weapons of mass destruction. Is there any doubt in your mind?"
David Kay: "There's absolutely no doubt. And I think I've said that, Senator."....
Senator Clinton: "I think that rightly does raise questions that we should be examining about whether or not the U.N. inspection process pursuant to 1441 might not also have worked without the loss of life that we have confronted both among our own young men and women, as well as Iraqis."
David Kay: "Well, Senator Clinton, let me just add to that. We have had a number of Iraqis who have come forward and said, 'We did not tell the U.N. about what we were hiding, nor would we have told the U.N. because we would run the risk of our own' -- I think we have learned things that no U.N. inspector would have ever learned given the terror regime of Saddam and the tremendous personal consequences that scientists had to run by speaking the truth." That's not to say, and it's not incompatible with the fact that inspections accomplish a great deal in holding a program down. And that's where the surprise is. In holding the program down, in keeping it from break out, I think the record is better than we would have anticipated. I don't think the record is necessarily better than we thought with regard to getting the final truth, because of the power of the terrorist state that Saddam Hussein had."
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....As David Kay reminded us, the Iraqis systematically destroyed and looted forensic evidence before, during and after the war. We have been faced with organized destruction of documentary and computer evidence in a wide range of offices, laboratories and companies suspected of weapons of mass destruction work. The pattern of these efforts is one of deliberate, rather than random, acts. Iraqis who have volunteered information to us are still being intimidated and attacked.
Remember, finding things in Iraq is always very tough. After the first Gulf War, the U.S. Army blew up chemical weapons without knowing it. They were mixed in with conventional weapons in Iraqi ammo dumps.
RUMSFELD: It's a difficult task.
Think: It took us 10 months to find Saddam Hussein. The
reality is that the hole he was found hiding in was large
enough to hold enough biological weapons to kill thousands
of human beings. Our people had gone past that farm
several times; had no idea he was there.
And unlike Saddam Hussein, such objects once buried can
stay buried. In a country the size of California, the
chances of inspectors finding something buried in the
ground without their being led to it by people
knowledgeable about where it was is minimal.
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