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To: neolib who wrote (156696)	1/20/2005 3:52:05 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Racial problems within Black Africa are well known, at a cost of far more lives then the ME, but little is done about it That's the brave new moral calculus - nobody gives a damn when Arabs or Africans do the killing. Americans or Israelis, different story. One Arab killed by an Israeli equals a thousand Arabs killed by other Arabs, as far as outrage goes. Over 100,000 peole died in Algeria since 1990, how much did you hear about it? Regarding the location of Jews: by 1945 most weren't in Europe since most European Jews were dead. The centers of Jewish population were Russia, America, Palestine and the Arab world.

To: neolib who wrote (156696)	1/20/2005 3:57:44 PM
From: michael97123	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

NL, OK you win, lets all us jews go to france. Why have you lost touch with reality? regarding "I agree wrt to the exclusivity of Israel. I don't like it one bit. In fact, " So you dont think germany should be german or france french? Dont these countries have immigration laws that prevent unlimited entry? Is that bad? I am sure if there were french folks suffering anywhere in the world France would let them back in no questions asked and ahead of all the others who wanted to immigrate. The nerve of you to single out folks of jewish origin as a people who would not be allowed a state.

To: neolib who wrote (156696)	1/20/2005 5:34:31 PM
From: marcos	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Most germans, let alone europeans in general, never knew anything about the death camps, news was tightly controlled under the regime ... did many turn a blind eye, yes, still their 'context' [uh-oh] was that they had a lot of other things to keep their eyes on during the war ... in any case, they have paid, and paid, and paid, in treasure and in a nationalised shame that haunts their country yet .... some helped to save jews, should their lands be confiscated if they happen to fall within boundaries of the new -staat? ... collective punishment is not as fashionable now, ironically due in part to those wartime events In any case, a review of the exclusivity is in order, imho ... lord willin and the crick don't rise, the idea will through wise management catch on to the east of their location ... what would that be auf deutsch, maybe Menschengeistdrang nach Osten You mention upthread the zulus near wiping out the bantu in what became South Africa, well there was also a people previous to the bantu, wasn't there? ... this sort of thing has always been going on, and is still, for instance there has been recent ethnic cleansing of the bushmen in Namibia [too bad we don't have any uber-namibian posters to irritate, eh] .... a lot of early dutch colonisation there was in fact created on terra nulla, no natives present at all, but blacks moved in later for the work, as the zionists claim [much less accurately] happened in Palestine .... well, that turned out not to be considered valid argument anyway, c'est la vie ... now they're trying a wiser form of nationalism, more civic, inclusive