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Pastimes : Let's Talk About Our Feelings!!! -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Grainne who wrote (94450)	1/24/2005 1:07:14 PM
From: Rambi	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

You are usually the nonconflicted one and I the little grey person so it's funny to find myself feeling very unconflicted on this! I readily admit to personal conflict on the abortion issue, but on this particular issue, my objections are not about the abortion per se. Had the church offered upfront to work with the hospital and mortuary and the women been informed and offered an option about a burial, that would have made a difference. Had they had a general service for the souls of all little lost fetuses, without individual remains, fine. But the accumulation and presentation of actual fetuses goes beyond respectful intent or a desire to comfort. This was an imposition of religion without the consent of the parties involved (mother and hospital) if the facts presented here are correct. The fact that the church and mortuary did this clandestinely indicates they knew they were violating a trust, and perhaps the law. Justifying means to obtain an ends is a dangerous path to start down (we all know what road those good intentions pave). If your actions can’t stand the light of day, something is wrong, or at least has a strong possibility of being wrong. Saving 1000 fetuses for a public display on the date of Roe v. Wade is a manipulative, blatant political act and to call it anything else is disingenuous. I believe a woman should be fully informed about everything that affects her and her fetus- before, during, after. Sadly, even if she were to ask, the answers she received would have been inaccurate or incomplete as the hospital had no knowledge of the subversive agreement between the mortuary and the church. Regardless of what intentions the church has, no matter how sincere its beliefs, they were wrong. Re: religion and politics: A few years ago, I was hired by a large church that annually allowed Planned Parenthood to have its convention on the premises. Each year on the Sunday of that week, there were protests marches in front. The marchers carried signs and often had their families with them, including small children and babies. The signs were very violent, graphic pictures of aborted fetuses and as I walked into the church I was called Babykiller and Murderer. (I was not a member, but a paid soloist). Because of some incidents in the past, we processed into the sanctuary accompanied by police officers with guns. The hatred of the crowd was palpable and frightening. Being judged and called a babykiller by a five year old parroting his parents is an alarming thing to me. If that is what comes of mixing politics and religion, then I have to say, I am not in favor of it. Too easily it seems to encourage an unthinking, indiscriminate hatred and excuse violence or ugliness for a "higher cause". But then, extremism of any sort, from any direction, seems to me to do nothing but defeat solutions: it satisfies the believers, increases the divide between sides, and does little to persuade the moderate or undecided.