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To: SARMAN who wrote (47691)1/26/2005 3:46:47 AM
From: IQBAL LATIF  Respond to of 50167
 
<Alas, how we find ways to poke holes in Islam when we have a chance. LOL>

Dear Abdul, I as a fool see a resurgence of missed renaissance that waft of freedom and reinvigorating thinking that missed main body of Islam in middle Ages, the era where ijtihad was buried once for all.

When I see grand cleric of Mecca calling ‘ OBL’ followers as ‘sons of devils’ in the recent annual holy pilgrimage, that change of tone makes me feel that we are/were not poking fun but were rather standard bearers of change, we are amongst those who accept our collective responsibility belatedly the most holiest of the cleric did exactly that, lets stop blaming others, when we slit peoples throat without mass condemnation within the Islamic ummah, we bring catastrophe to Islamic image, what is this defeatist mentality of taking any people hostage and killing them in name of resisting invasion; imagine taking over 8 Chinese for sake of Jihad, I think we are making the whole world our enemy, if I highlight these trends and you think this is finding faults than we both are on different wavelengths, I try to make our people realize that making everyone an enemy does not pay, this kind of belligerency is self destructive.

As a nation we have failed to condemn adequately the promoters of cancers within us, they tend to grow and we find others liable for them, listen my dear Samadi, we got to live with the world, our Islamic minorities cannot impose their right of self determination on countries where others are majorities, millions of Christians, Jews and Hindus live in Islamic majority countries peacefully but wherever Islamic people are in minority they want to impose their firebrand form of thinking on the majority, from Checnyans, Uhigars and Jammu these radical movements of secession are pushing the limits of patience of nations like China, Russia and India. The resurgence of political Islam is a big threat to the peace and security of the world, unless we curb our tendencies we are up against everyone who loves freedom and want to live his life outside the strictures.

Do you call Zarqawi label of anyone who loves freedom and likes to vote in free elections an infidel. Since Sunnis are losing their whip in a Shiite dominated Iraq which they ruled with iron clad callousness, now sight of Shiite majority Iraq is nothing but hordes of infidels descending upon Baghdad, the way Shiites are being targeted by the Sunni extremists is regrettable, I call this barbarism and this is no fun but real fact of life, let freedom reign is our call! This is only what we stand here for, this is the only agenda we have, we stick our neck for very little returns and ignominy if Islam is not our goal rather resurgence of a Islam that is co habitable with our mother earth.

As always wishing best for you and your near ones,



To: SARMAN who wrote (47691)1/26/2005 3:52:26 AM
From: IQBAL LATIF  Respond to of 50167
 
<Iqbal, years has past and you did not change.>

Each man reaps on his own farm. Mostellaria, as far as not changing, I believe in ''If you are wise, be wise; keep what goods the gods provide you.'' ggg



To: SARMAN who wrote (47691)1/26/2005 2:51:20 PM
From: IQBAL LATIF  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 50167
 
Dear Samadi, on that <Iqbal, years has past and you did not change> please go back to Message #47690 from IQBAL LATIF at 1/25/2005 5:19:37 PM
and than go on to read Chirac speech, what we said on 25th resonates today in his speech, we do have a clear conscience based on which we write here and hence it touches chord with people who have a conscience, some like Chirac create one for grandstanding but whenever they do we speak with unison, sparkling conscience are usually on same wave length more often than not..

On 25th I wrote..

Recent ‘Tsunami’ was a greatest unifying moment in the history of mankind, we all realized that how our disasters are common and our pains are shared, our destiny can only be great if we share our burdens, from ashes and destruction is emerging a new hope, from one corner of the earth to the other mankind feels pain for their brethren they never had anything in common, this is a new world emerging, these are changes that only an optimist can see. Message #47690 from IQBAL LATIF at 1/25/2005 5:19:37 PM

Today Chirac ...

Chirac said the tsunami that struck Asian coastlines last month -- possibly killing up to 300,000 people -- should trigger not only aid to that region but a broader coordinated drive by developed nations to reach out to the Third World.

"The world suffers chronically from what has been strikingly called the 'silent tsunamis.' Famine. Infectious diseases that decimate the life force of entire continents," Chirac said in a video message from Paris to the annual meeting of the World Economic Forum.

The annual meeting, in the Swiss ski resort of Davos, has taken on increased importance in recent years as globalization and common threats -- from terrorism to increased vulnerability to natural disasters -- have made the world's nations and governments more dependent on each other.

Chirac alluded to such interdependence, saying that natural disasters, political unrest, uncontrolled migration and extremism are "breeding grounds for terrorism" -- suggesting developed nations had a stake in resolving the problem.



To: SARMAN who wrote (47691)1/26/2005 3:08:13 PM
From: IQBAL LATIF  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 50167
 
Dear Samadi, further on <Alas, how we find ways to poke holes in Islam when we have a chance. LOL>

On this; please look at this one incident on which I got a lot of flak on poking holes on Islam.. I wrote this infamous piece.. Please kindly read the highlight

iranian.com

To understand the background of this schism between Qum and Najaf, one needs to look profoundly at contemporary centers of Shi'ites learning's. Four senior Grand Ayatollahs constitute the Religious Institution (al-Hawzah al-'Ilmiyyah) in Najaf, the preeminent seminary center for the training of Shiite clergymen. Before the 1979 Islamic revolution in Iran, Najaf was the most important center of study for Shia religious leaders.

However, Saddam Hussein ordered mass arrests and the expulsion of senior clerics, giving the Iranian seminary in the city of Qom the opportunity to take over the religious leadership of the Shias. Qom became the pre-eminent religious center for Shia Muslims since the Iranian revolution, however, Najaf has a history of more than a millennium of leadership, and the Iranian clerics who run the holy city of Qum, are facing a revived rival.

As of mid-2003 the seminary in Qom hosted between 40,000 and 50,000 clergy, while the number in Najaf stood at about 2,000, down from about 10,000 before the Ba'ath regime took. The first exodus from Qom to Najaf is expected to be by exiled Iraqi clerics, estimated to number between 3,000, and 5,000.

At the heart of schism lies reluctance of seminary of Najaf to get involved in worldly affairs -- in essence al-Hawzah al-'Ilmiyyah in Najaf wants to shield the highest Shi'ite religious leadership, the marjaiyya, from politics - this is an old tension within Shi'ite Islam between two conflicting tendencies, quietism and activism.

Whether clerics should confine their activities to religious affairs or also seek a role in politics has been a matter of fierce debate among Shi'ites for well over a century. Sunnis, who in theory are expected to obey their rulers and even tolerate a tyrant in order to avoid civil strife and preserve the cohesion of the Muslim community, observant Shi'ites recognize no authority on earth except that of the imam.


Now kindly read Monday's 23rd Jan 2005, IHT..

BAGHDAD With the Shiites on the brink of capturing power here for the first time, their political leaders say they have decided to relegate Islam to a supporting role as they form the new Iraqi government.
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The senior leaders of the United Iraqi Alliance, the coalition of mostly Shiite groups that is expected to capture the most votes in the election Sunday, have agreed that the Iraqi whom they nominate to be the country's next prime minister would be a layperson and not an Islamic cleric. The Shiite leaders say there is a similar but less formal agreement that clerics will also be excluded from running the government ministries.
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"There will be no turbans in the government," said Adnan Ali, a senior leader of the Dawa Party, one of the largest Shiite parties. "Everyone agrees on that."
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The decision appears to formalize the growing dominance of secular leaders among the Shiite political leadership, and it also reflects an inclination by the country's powerful religious hierarchy to stay out of the day-to-day governing of the country.

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iht.com

Now when i wrote that piece it looked that I am fomenting disunity amongst the faithful but the facts are very clear, truth is very bitter, I try my best to gaze into the future, sometime I pass with my crystal ball others I fail but the earnest desire is to be fair.;



To: SARMAN who wrote (47691)1/28/2005 3:27:11 AM
From: IQBAL LATIF  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 50167
 
Changing world-If Pakistan and India can do it,so can Israel and Pakistan: Peres

Says there is no shame in peace; if Pakistan wants to be a part of the ME peace process, it cannot do so with ‘remote control’

By Ammara Durrani &
Rana Mubashir

KARACHI/ISLAMABAD, JANUARY 27: Israeli Deputy Prime Minister Shimon Peres has said that Israel and Pakistan should have "a direct, personal contact, publicly, without being ashamed about it." Answering questions put to him by The News, in what is the first ever interview by an Israeli politician to a Pakistani newspaper, Peres responded from Tel Aviv on Wednesday "there is no shame in peace; we should reach full normalisation."

He did not comment when asked whether he saw any change in Pakistan’s approach towards its relations with Israel; and why was it important for Israel to establish cordial relations with Pakistan.

In response to a question as to how Israel viewed US President George W Bush’s statement last month about General Pervez Musharraf playing "a big role" on the "important issue" of the ME peace process; and whether Israel would be willing to accept a Pakistani role, Peres was categorical: "First and prior to anything, Pakistan has to decide to have contacts with both sides-and that’s before playing a part in the Middle East peace process; it cannot play a role without having relationships with all the entities involved."

He expressed hope that 2005 gave Israel "an enormous opportunity" to "push forward" in the ME peace process. "If Pakistan wants to be a part of that, it will have to draw this conclusion: it cannot be done by remote control," he said, while talking to The News.

Citing Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon’s statement last month that Sharon saw 2005 as "an year of opportunity" for Israel not only in terms of the ME peace process but also for establishing stronger relations with the international community, The News asked Peres if he thought establishment of Pakistan-Israel relations could be a possibility as a result of such an approach? "There is absolutely no reason why we should not," Peres said, adding: "indeed, Pakistan is a Muslim state, but Turkey is also such a state, and we have the closest contacts with the Turks."

He claimed that Israel had never declared a boycott on any country in the world. "And the decision about (our) relationship is Pakistan’s," he added. "If Pakistan and India can do it, so can Israel and Pakistan," he concluded.

Leading his Labour Party, Peres formed a "unity government" last month with the ruling Likud Party, giving PM Sharon much needed political support to carry on with his disengagement plan, thus ending the "greater Israel dream".

A 1994 Nobel Peace Prize Laureate for his historic role as Israel’s Foreign Minister in the Oslo Accords of 1993, 81-year-old Peres has long been considered as a foremost moderate in Israeli politics. The Jerusalem Post recently likened his sharing power with Sharon as a development that could bring "societal healing" in strife-torn domestic politics of the country.

Peres’ comments on Pakistan-Israel relations come as the latest sound bite in an ongoing debate about whether mainly Muslim Pakistan should consider recognising Israel if the fledgling ME peace plan remained on track.

In October 2003, GEO TV’s Follow-up With Fahd programme aired an interview with Peres, in which the Israeli leader had stated "Pakistan is not (Israel’s) enemy" and that "secret contacts...are creating illusions...they don’t bear any fruits." In the same interview, Peres had called upon Pakistan to "sit openly, clearly, under an open sky, talk like human beings, air out our differences," hoping, the two countries could "improve the situation."

Meanwhile, Pakistan has become more cautious on the issue in the wake of the national controversy that erupted on this issue. Since June 2003, proponents of this idea have toned down their earlier enthusiasm by frequently insisting that Pakistan can only "study the question" of recognising Israel if the ME conflict is settled and includes the creation of a Palestinian state and Israeli withdrawal from occupied territories. Islamabad has also maintained that it would take its decision "at the right moment" and would take into consideration "the feeling in Islamic countries and public opinion in the country."

In September last, General Musharraf warned Israel of "dire consequences" if it targeted the nuclear installations of Iran.

Since the Jewish state of Israel first came into being in 1948, Islamabad has refused to recognise its formation and does not have diplomatic ties with Tel Aviv. Pakistani citizens are forbidden to travel to Israeli territories on a Pakistani passport; and there are no postal and telecommunications connections between the two countries.



To: SARMAN who wrote (47691)1/28/2005 6:45:53 PM
From: IQBAL LATIF  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 50167
 
Fascism is not a nightmare involving Germans and Italians wearing silly oversized boots and monocles. Fascist tendencies can be found among right-wing groups practically everywhere in the world: be they the neo-con militarists in Washington, extremist Hindu fundamentalists and Aryan racial supremacists in India or the Taliban and Saudi-Wahhabi elites in the Muslim world

Where is Malaysia’s ‘moderate Islam’ project going? —Farish A Noor


There was a time, not too long ago, when I could tell myself: “No matter how bad things are in Malaysia, thank God we don’t live in a country that resembles Afghanistan under the Taliban.”

Just when we thought we had seen the back of the radical religio-politics of the 1970s and 1980s, there came embarrassing blunders to remind us that we, too, have our fair share of wannabe Taliban. In the year 2000 we were treated to the Islamiah Aqidah Protection Bill of Perlis, that proposed — among other things — that Muslims found guilty of ‘deviant’ and ‘un-Islamic’ behaviour be sent to so-called ‘faith rehabilitation centres’ so that religious ideologues of the state can somehow correct their understanding and practice of faith.

Despite all the talk of Islam hadari and the attempts to promote the agenda of ‘progressive, moderate Islam’ it should be painfully obvious to all by now that there remain very real repressive undercurrents in Malaysian society. This is particularly true for the Malay Muslims, who are forced to live under the constant threat of myriad increasingly-repressive, intrusive and constricting laws governing their practice, understanding and expression of normative Islam.

The latest proof of this slide towards an increasingly nasty brand of authoritarian social policing came some days ago (January 13) when about a hundred Malay Muslim citizens were rounded up by ‘moral guardians’ said to be working for JAWI (Jabatan Agama Islam Wilayah Persekutuan) at a nightspot in Kuala Lumpur. (Sunday Mail, ‘Seeing red over JAWI raid’, January 23, 2005). According to some of those arrested, the JAWI officials were ‘overzealous’, ‘abusive’ and ‘rude’ and behaved in a ‘high-handed manner’ ‘like thugs’.

Details of the incident give us a glimpse into the not-so-pretty Malaysian psyche. At around 12.55am a group of about 50 people dressed in plainclothes entered the club. They were accompanied by some wearing JAWI uniforms. The officials ordered the music to be turned off, and segregated the crowd. An announcement over the club’s public address system instructed the non-Muslims to proceed to another part of the club and ‘enjoy themselves’. The about 100 Muslims were ordered to crouch on the ground, then herded into a caged space in a lorry and driven off to a detention centre at the JAWI headquarters. Some of those arrested said the lorry was driven recklessly without regard to screams from those in the cage who panicked. At the JAWI headquarters, they were locked in cells, some of them so small that the inmates were forced to stand throughout their six- to ten-hour ordeal.

Some of the victims said “the officers were paying attention only to the girls” who were abused and humiliated. Some were even asked to ‘twirl’ in front of the ‘moral guardians’ so that the latter could get a better look at them and decide if the girls were ‘improperly dressed’. Among the highlights of the evening was a girl being forced to urinate in her clothes because she was denied access to the toilet. Another was asked to lower her handbag which she used to cover her chest. Another female student was asked if she had had her genitals pierced. (Sunday Mail, 23 January 23, 2005)

Some of the victims felt so thoroughly humiliated that they said they had been “soured against their own religion”. So much for Malaysia’s promotion of its long-awaited ‘progressive, moderate’ Islam Hadari. If this is the sort of behaviour we should expect from the ‘defenders of Islam’ the electorate might as well have voted for the PAS.

The goings-on on the night of January 13 should leave Malaysians in no doubt that what is being done in the name of ‘safeguarding Islam’ has serious repercussions for their rights and the country’s international image.

Before we begin to solve the problem we need to understand its nature. It has a name. It’s called Fascism. In case we have forgotten, it is not a nightmare involving Germans and Italians wearing silly oversized boots and monocles. As an ideology and a mode of political conduct, it is characterised by the following salient essentials:

1. The valorisation of power, force and violence as a means to achieve political ends;

2. The use of a defensive, parochial and introverted rhetoric that constantly warns of ‘dangers and threats’ to the community;

3. The active cultivation of fear, paranoia and prejudice that presents difference as threat to the cohesion of the whole;

4. The wilful and deliberate identification of ‘other’ groups (usually religious, ethnic, racial and gender communities) as ‘external threats’ and ‘contaminating’ influences; and,

5. The tendency to promote and foreground a singular, simplistic understanding of unity predicated on an oppositional dialectics that sees others in negative terms.

Fascism or fascist tendencies can be found among right-wing groups practically everywhere in the world: be they the neo-con militarists in Washington, extremist Hindu fundamentalists and Aryan racial supremacists in India or the Taliban and Saudi-Wahhabi elites in the Muslim world. They share a worldview and value system. Their fascist inclinations often manifest themselves in terms of violent moral police, witch-hunts and demonising of their enemies and rivals as ‘deviant, corrupt, evil’ etc.

In Malaysia, the first signs of the rise of authoritarianism were to be found in the dominant political culture of the state itself. By the 1970s, it had given birth to local oppositional groups that were a mirror image of the authoritarian culture they opposed. On the campuses there had emerged right-wing Malay-Muslim student groups who claimed to be ‘Islamist activists’, but who were concerned most about isolating the Malay-Muslims from the rest of the student body and to policing fellow Muslims. It was during this period that hot-headed thugs began policing campus life, to the point of breaking into hostel dormitories and checking on fellow students to ensure that they were ‘behaving properly’.

Today, the logic of popular authoritarianism has come full circle, with the state playing a role it has no business playing: namely, policing the values, beliefs and private lives of ordinary Malaysians. The bottom line is that the so-called ‘moral campaigns’ are nothing more than an exercise in expanding the power of the state. Behind the ‘Islam in danger’ slogan we have witnessed the rise of so many authoritarian movements, from the Taliban in Afghanistan to Lashkare-e-Taiba/Jamaat ud Dawa in Pakistan and groups like the Laskar Jihad, Fron Pembela Islam and Majlis Mujahideen in Indonesia. Similar right-wing currents are gaining ground in Malaysia as a passive public sits by and does nothing. Never has ‘Islam’ been so sullied by those who wish to expand their share of power.

Dr Farish A Noor is a Malaysian political scientist and human rights activist, based at the Zentrum Moderner Orient (ZMO), Berlin