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To: RetiredNow who wrote (216278)	1/28/2005 1:17:47 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1577122

Not at all. The 66 per 1,000 is net inflows of Muslims. But that is offset by net OUTFLOWS of 65.34 by non-Muslims. So the overall net growth due to immigration is 0.66, which matches the CIA overall figure. Just click into the CIA's detailed figures and add up immigrants from all the Muslim nations. I'm using the same site you posted. I have no idea where you are getting the info that shows the country of origin for the emigrants to France or their numbers. I don't see them on the CIA site as you suggest above. However, even if I were to find them on the site, I firmly believe you are misinterpreting the numbers and coming to a wrong conclusion. If Muslims in France are growing at the rate you suggest for one year, the current Muslim percentage of the total French population would be much higher than 5-10%. In ten years at your rate, the Muslims will have gained almost 8 million new Muslims through immigration while the non Muslim population will have declined by an even higher number. We are talking an increase in the Muslim percentage from the 5-10% currently to a percentage well over 20 in just ten years. Since this growth rate of yours did not just start in 2005, it stands to reason that if you were right, the Muslim population totals today would be much higher than the 3-6 million Muslims estimated by the CIA. One of the articles you posted recently showed the Muslim population in France doubled from 1980 to 2000 off a small base. That number included births over deaths as well as net Muslim immigration. That makes a lot more sense. However, your numbers show the population more than doubling again by 8 million people in only ten years simply through immigration. There is nothing to suggest that France has loosened its immigration laws to allow for such an increase in the Muslim growth rate by immigration. Go back and look at your at your numbers again.....assuming the 66 per 1000 number is real, it has to be an annual number, not a monthly one. At that rate, immigration would contribute 660,000 Muslims to the overall population increase in a ten year period, not 8 million. The lower number seems a lot more realistic. What you don't seem to understand is that Europe has never been very open when it comes to foreign immigration. In the past, they have permitted it reluctantly because of labor shortages. France has the most Muslims only because at one point in its history it tried to annex Algeria for its oil and made Algerians Frenchmen. For a while, movement between the two countries was a lot easier than it is now. The following articles are more typical of Europe's reaction to immigration: EU again seeks to introduce legal immigration policy 13/01/2005 "The European Union's top official dealing with migration says he wants to streamline immigration rules across the 25-member bloc to end shortages of skilled labour that is slowing economic growth. Franco Frattini has launched an initiative for common rules on legal immigration. But the plan is controversial and potentially divisive. Many EU citizens would feel threatened by a large influx of foreigners." eubusiness.com Denmark tightens citizenship rules english.aljazeera.net Again, I think your worry that the EU is going Muslim is overblown. ted