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To: Gib Bogle who wrote (59735)	1/31/2005 5:03:54 AM
From: elmatador	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

Matriarchalism is a constant in NZ, Finland, Sweden and Norway. All the same story: Get rich and then handover power to the women. Compare here this guy! <<110 million voters will elect a man who once sold peanuts on the street: Luis 'Lula' da Silva..His victory would send a strong political message to rich countries like Britain, who have benefited from globalisation, and to Latin Americans, who haven't,>> observer.guardian.co.uk The guy is going out there and setting the rules which the world will ne governed for at least the next 50 years! Has Helen visited Brazil yet. She shoud go there!

To: Gib Bogle who wrote (59735)	1/31/2005 5:29:51 AM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 74559

<That is a great profile, the family stuff was all new to me.> It was new to me too [some of it anyway]. One very interesting idea, which I've wondered about recently, is the possibility of NZ joining the European Community. I think it's not a bad idea. I also support the idea of a global community much better designed than the UN, which was a post WWII victor's club. So, ironically, Helen and I have substantial things in common. The marriage thing was funny too. Her pique at feeling cornered into marriage and then making our offspring compulsorily married after 3 years and some arbitrary living arrangements [or whatever absurd rules they've come up with] is worse than anything she suffered in the marriage stakes. These auto-marriages are anti-freedom bureaucracy gone nuts, which will create a shambles and big profits for lawyers. Mqurice