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To: elmatador who wrote (59824)	2/1/2005 4:10:32 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 74559

<It is time to treat women like equals! > Giggle. ElM you are such a male chauvinist. The point of my sarcastic comment about treating women as fully human is that it's not really anyone's place to treat women, or negroes or anyone as equals. Do you think it's time to treat negroes as equals too, or just women? Do you see what I mean when I put it like that? I don't think it's time to treat Brazilians as equals [they aren't quite ready for full humanhood - heck, they don't even treat women as equals yet]. <g> People are, in civilized societies, treated as equals with self-determination the order of the day. The state doesn't select and privilege or penalize any particular sort of person other than criminals, foreigners, the mentally unfit, children [and maybe a few others]. In civilized societies, the public reflects that respect for individuals. Unfortunately, all states, so far, do not treat people as equals. New Zealand gives preference to women, Maoris, homosexuals, and government hangers-on of multiple types. The rest of us pay for their privileges and are excluded. <I treat my daughter like would treat a boy preparing her to a world of work. > I treated our daughters not for a world of work, but a world of self-determination. Work is just a means to an end, not an end in itself. Women are the ones who have babies and that's the main thing women who have babies do [unless they are unusally talented]. They create $2 million in value if they bear and raise a healthy, productive young adult [according to current NZ government calculations for road death costs]. In the working world, they average about $100,000 a year in GDP production x 20 years work = $2 million. Hmmm, much the same value. I suppose as Elroy says, all investments tend to bank rates, and all jobs tend to the same net present value [Mq's corollary]. Anyway, it's a long time since anyone in NZ dared to suggest that women should be treated as equals, [let alone fully-fledge humans]. They long ago attained supremacy, with blokes cowering in their sheds and pubs. It took a while longer to gain the reins of power, but they have both hands on the reins now and are reigning supreme, with the Queen, Governor General, Prime Minister, Chief Justice, Minister of Justice, lots of other government positions and boss of Telecom [NZ's biggest company] all being women. They plan to take over the world. Helen Clark has her eyes on the prize. I think it would be no bad thing. I'm prepared to take my chances with the smothering effect, which is perhaps unpleasant, but better than WWI, WWII, Cold War, Falklands War, this war, that war, the other war. Maybe we will get both smothering AND wars. Groan!! The law of unintended consequences. Women are allegedly peaceable, but given untrammeled power, they might get into a cat fight and send the blokes to do the fighting. Mqurice