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To: combjelly who wrote (218488)	2/10/2005 2:03:17 AM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1578133

"Its like......why am I protesting?" Jeeze, you GenXers give up easily. You protest because your conscience won't let you do anything else. Even if you know it won't do any good, you protest. Even when it get serious, when they start rounding up the ones who are insufficiently "American", you protest. Even when the bullets start to fly, you protest. You protest because the alternative is to not be able to live with yourself 20 years from now if you don't. You protest because you believe that you are right. You protest because you believe... I understand what you're saying but I have never felt so powerless. Not only does it look like we are about to start another war but Americans have given the perpetrators the go ahead to start it. Tonite, I was watching Scarsborough Country on MSNBC. Scarsborough, a former Congressman, was interviewing this student from the U of Colorado......the same school where the professor wrote a paper on 9/11, making some outrageous comments in the process and causing all hell to break out on rightie tv. The student was defending the professor on two levels. First, he was saying that the professor needs to be dealt with on the university level and not in a political/public forum. Secondly, he brought to the discussion what probably was the most important and least outrageous point in the professor's paper.....that Americans need to get informed about what their gov't is doing in foreign countries on a day to day basis and take responsibility for those actions........something I have said previously on this thread. Scarsborough became frustrated. The student was very right......naive but right. Scarsborough had no real choice but to back off and try to get the guy off the set. However, the student wouldn't shut up and kept pushing his case. I was impressed......it was one of the few times that one of these obnoxious pundits was brought to some degree of silence. The next issue on the table was sexual molestation in schools......you may have heard that recently, two female teachers have been accused of having sex with some of their students in middle school. After trashing teachers in general and suggesting that sexual abuse of students was as common as school books, Scarsborough cited this study which says that 100s of thousands of students have reported sexual abuse while in school, suggesting that teachers are out of control. I have seen the study.........most of the abuse is from fellow students and not the teachers........but the public is left with the impression that all the perps are teachers. Then, he had two panelists on the show. The first was this idiot woman from DC who began by saying that sexual abuse is very much rampant in schools. The second was this idiot sex therapist from Seattle. I've seen him here and he's a butthead from the edge. Bottomline: the whole discussion was a travesty. You were left with the notion that kids are nothing more than sexual playthings for the adults responsible for educating them. This kind of irresponsible critiquing and reviewing of problems in American life where we are left looking a bit wanting is happening regularly on the various venues for conservative discussion. With mainstream media, the same thing is happening but during the discourse, the viewer is shown some of the positives that have been implemented to counteract the problem. With the right, the viewer is left with the suggestion that its all bad and the problem is growing to the point where it soon will be a major crisis. It feels to me that the right is systematically undermining almost every aspect of American life with maybe the rare exceptions of patriotism and religion in order to prepare us for a coming change where these things will no longer be a problem. It feels like a juggernaut and I feel powerless to stop it. ted

To: combjelly who wrote (218488)	2/10/2005 9:33:39 AM
From: steve harris	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1578133

combjelly, In my view the election, to a great many people, was a choice between a bad Bush or a worse kerry. ted seems to think people should have voted for kerry because Bush is so bad. Anyone but Bush we heard. It just seems to me, the best way (and easiest to me) to win back voters in 2006 would be to reduce the reasons why people couldn't stomach kerry, kennedy, byrd, hollywood, etc, and the liberal democratic party. I would have thought the defeat of all eleven gay marriage amendments demonstrated that. Hillary's current rhetoric sounds like she knows the big picture. I think kerry and hollywood lost the election, not the "uneducated" rednecks in the red states who just don't get it...