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To: combjelly who wrote (218542)	2/10/2005 9:26:42 AM
From: Road Walker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1573682

CJ, re: Are those pieces of recent history so obscure? I don't expect them to feel it in their gut, you have to live through that stuff to get that. But they don't even seem to have an intellectual appreciation for it... I know exactly what you mean. Younger people seem to treat these potential situations as intellectual abstracts, not concrete probabilities. It's as if at least the statue quo is guaranteed, and change for the worse is not possible. And some of those on the right seem to think the US is infallible and it is our birthright to be irresponsible without consequences. Frankly, you look back on the last, say, 20 years, and things have been very tranquil (9/11 excepted). Maybe that's where the arrogance comes from? John

To: combjelly who wrote (218542)	2/10/2005 2:04:07 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1573682

"Skin in the game; the draft." John, this question by Ted concerns me, like his question about "why protest?". In general, he strikes me as well read. And I always figured that period is pretty well documented. I'll ignore that he got the order wrong in the part about "the 1968 Chicago riots, the shootings of students or the lies by Johnson", but to not understand why the protests existed in the '60s... I understood what the protests were about but I was trying to determine what was the thing that caused the 1960s peace movement to erupt into something that forced the leaders of that time to pay attention to what the people wanted. Right now, Bush doesn't give a tinker's damn what half of the country wants........nor do most righties. I want to know what will stop this intentionally feigned disinterest. And all the ones that just don't seem to understand why the deficits are so important and stagflation is something to be feared. Not in the abstract or at some point in the future, but now. Are those pieces of recent history so obscure? I don't expect them to feel it in their gut, you have to live through that stuff to get that. But they don't even seem to have an intellectual appreciation for it... Huh? I think you are jumping to some very weird conclusions. I think Z is much more aware of and in touch with the consequences of this president's actions then some of the older people on this thread. I think that U of Colorado student on Scarborough's show yesterday understood the truth and the things at risk re. this professor and his claims much better than Scarborough does. And I think he cares and respects for American freedoms much more than Scarborough. I am quite amazed that so many Americans think what Bush is doing is business as usual. I am finding that age, wealth and experience have little to do with that position. My oldest claims that he was taught in school that we were winning in Vietnam before we just gave up and left. I had a professor say the same thing, but he is from South Korea and they might teach it differently there. Now true, we weren't exactly losing in Vietnam, but wars aren't a binary condition. Winning is not the condition that exists when you aren't losing... I really worry about what's being taught in schools. My first clue that things may be misrepresented in some schools is when I got attacked for learning American history 'incorrectly' from liberal teachers. I have learned that when righties make an attack and criticize some aspect of a liberal's life that they typically are already doing the thing about which they are complaining. So I am not surprised that in TX they are teaching kids that we would have won in Vietnam had we not left and are omitting the part where what we were doing in Vietnam was wrong and based on a lie introduced by an American president no less. That's why I posted to you that I feel like we are being prepped for a major change in the future. To underestimate where I am at I think is foolish on your part. I just don't know what to do about the current situation. Things are bad and getting worse. ted