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To: GST who wrote (157945)	2/10/2005 10:47:07 AM
From: michael97123	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Keep in mind that the folks in the refugee camps in gaza do not have the same interest in peace because they have little hope and for good reason. Camps have always been a festering sore. On the West Bank, Pals live free or lived free and will savor that. The biggest question is how to give the campers and strippers hope for the future as oppose to the jihadi message of glory in the afterlife. Given a choice folks choose to hang around Earth than to take the leap of faith to the afterlife. These folks need jobs, housing, education. And their misery of course has little to do with israels presence which is de jure fact--it has to do with arab regimes maintaining this sore as a way to deflect their own folks from their real problems. Israel as scapegoat for all this ills of the entire arab world--thats why the camps, thats why no relocation of refugess which has been the case for all other refugees in the world over the last 60 years.

To: GST who wrote (157945)	2/10/2005 12:10:46 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

. What concerns me is that it not become an excuse to say that the extreme misery of Palestinians does not matter and that improving their lives will do nothing to stop terrorism Certainly being miserable with no other options is one factor. It is clearly not a sufficient factor, or the world's greatest source of terror would be sub-Saharan Africa. It's not even a necessary factor, as we see from OBL and others. But it's a contributing factor. As such, it's fair to ask who caused it? Since Oslo started, Arafat got $15 billion in aid for develoment (yes, that billion with a "b"), and what happened to it? Mostly it went to guns and Swiss bank accounts. Arafat never wanted to stop the terror, so a violent semi-chaos with misery all around suited him just fine. In fact, it was the condition he created all his life wherever he went, first in Jordan, then in Lebanon, then in the territories. And of course the war Arafat started destroyed the Pal economy. So far, the absolute economic highpoint for the Pals was in 1993, Arafat had managed to cut Pal GDP in half by 2000, then he destroyed what was left in the Terror War. That's why Arafat was an obstacle to peace. If Abbas actually wants prosperity for the Palestinians, it would be a great change.