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To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (218598)2/10/2005 1:31:04 PM
From: Road Walker  Read Replies (4) | Respond to of 1575422
 
re: - Those who are getting more out of the welfare system than they are putting in can certainly be "liberal" without any empathy for anyone else, simply because they have themselves to worry about. They don't even have to show one bit of gratitude, especially if they feel so bitter about their circumstances that they think society owes them a favor.

See, you have no empathy.

re: - Those who aren't getting any welfare benefits, but either can't afford to be generous and charitable or choose not to be, can certainly be "liberal" without any empathy. All they have to do is point to someone richer than themselves and say they have to pay their "fair share."

See, you have no empathy.

re: - Of course, the morally depraved will obviously be liberal if they get something out of liberal social policies. A convicted felon would obviously support a lighter punishment for his or her crimes, while people who thrive in the sex industry (both the "suppliers" and the "customers") would obviously support efforts to get those pesky religious righties off of their backs.

See, you have no empathy.

re: - Finally, there are those I'd call the "utopia architects." These are the people whose feelings about "the way things should be" tower above all other concerns, including common empathy for their fellow man. Usually, these people are not very charitable themselves, preferring to try and shape society and government into their view of an ideal world so that, in a sense, there would be no need for charity. Some extreme examples would be Stalin, Mao, Castro, and other leftist revolutionaries, but more modern day examples, IMO, would be George Soros, Ted Kennedy, and John Kerry.

Where do you get this stuff, dime novels? Can we connect the names? Does John Kerry = Stalin, Mao or Castro?

John



To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (218598)2/10/2005 1:57:23 PM
From: combjelly  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1575422
 
"but more modern day examples, IMO, would be George Soros, Ted Kennedy, and John Kerry."

Give me a break. When did any of those three do the equivalent of taking all the food, firewood, shovels and other farm implements of the Ukrainians right before winter? Or lead the equivalent of "Cultural Revolution"? How many millions of dead Americans are George, Ted and John responsible for? What Ted may or may not have done to poor Mary Jo doesn't put him in even the same universe with Mao and Stalin. Stalin wasn't shaping a utopia, he was exercising pure power. Labels weren't important. Mao was cut from the same cloth.

Lumping Castro in with those other two is a stretch also. Under Batista, Cuba wasn't a picnic for the average Cuban. Much of Castro's popularity was due to that fact. Not that Castro is a prince, but Batista was worse. Now Castro was trying to shape a utopia, or at least a better place for his country. In that, he didn't do too bad of a job, under the circumstances. If he had organized a system that didn't depend on himself as the only source of power in Cuba, I might have a higher opinion of him. As it is, he is just another dictator. Not as brutal as many, more concerned about his country than most, but still a dictator...



To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (218598)2/10/2005 3:15:07 PM
From: Taro  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1575422
 
Taro, you're right in saying that liberals often act as if they have a monopoly on empathy and human compassion, which is one of the reasons why I am no longer a liberal.

Thanks, Ten. Don't think anybody could have put this in a better way. Seeming to be and being are way too often two different things. Putting up a screen as opposed to acting the way you truly feel and while doing that feeling good and proud of that are, again, two different things.
Really harbouring a "bleeding heart", feeling that and acting upon it is quite different from bragging about it to other fellow "bleeding hearts".

"Sein, nicht schein" is such a great German way of saying that.
It translates to something like "being, but not showing" in the context of showing off.

I suspect that so called liberals just too often feel a need to hang out those signs to show rather than just acting on it while keeping it private. Because true empathy and compassion like true love mostly is a very private and often almost holy thing.

Taro



To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (218598)2/10/2005 3:33:57 PM
From: tejek  Respond to of 1575422
 
Riyadh Polls Close for First Municipal Elections

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To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (218598)2/10/2005 3:35:52 PM
From: tejek  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1575422
 
Abbas ousts 3 security officers after Gaza attack

Thursday, February 10, 2005 Posted: 1904 GMT (0304 HKT)


JERUSALEM (CNN) -- Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas fired three key security officers Thursday after Palestinian militants fired mortars at Israeli communities in Gaza, a Palestinian official said.

continued............

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To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (218598)2/10/2005 4:28:42 PM
From: tejek  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1575422
 
Taro, you're right in saying that liberals often act as if they have a monopoly on empathy and human compassion, which is one of the reasons why I am no longer a liberal.

Over and over and over still again, you tell us why you are no longer a liberal. Usually its due to some moral failing on the part of liberals. Could be that the moral failings are your own and have nothing to do with liberals?

ted