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Politics : Bush-The Mastermind behind 9/11? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Raymond Duray who wrote (9914)	2/13/2005 11:40:51 AM
From: BlackDog777	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 20039

We live in an Orwellian fascist hell. Anyone who dares to tell the truth about this government is destroyed. My point? Well... 1. You are a member of "anyone" 2. I have assumed that you believe your posts to be the "truth". 3. Unless your computer provides automated responses & comments, you have not been "destroyed". If our government was a fraction as bad as your frequent depictions...you'd be long gone by now. If you'd tone down some of your extreme rhetoric, you might be more convincing to some folks that don't hang on the fringes. As it is, you come off as a scary bastard. Ted Kaczynski has got a shack for sale.

To: Raymond Duray who wrote (9914)	2/14/2005 3:46:50 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20039

Ray, didn't I TELL YOU SO???? Madrid, one day, would eventually spell "the undoing of 911." () Collapse Threatens Skyscraper in Madrid Sun Feb 13, 5:44 PM ET World - AP By ED MCCULLOUGH, Associated Press Writer* MADRID, Spain - Firefighters struggled for nearly 24 hours before finally controlling Madrid's worst blaze in recent memory, which reduced one of the city's tallest office buildings to a blackened hulk of twisted wreckage. [Slideshow: Fire Engulfs Madrid Skyscraper] Thick smoke and temperatures that soared as high as 1,472 degrees Fahrenheit prevented firefighters from entering the 32-story Windsor building until late Sunday. The fire, which left seven people slightly injured, broke out Saturday just before midnight. The office tower was heavily damaged but did not collapse, as had been feared. However, officials said it was unstable and closed the area around the building. "What worries us now is its structural state because of the high temperatures it was subjected to," said Merardo Tudelo, director of the Madrid Municipal Firefighters. Mayor Alberto Ruiz-Gallardon said "the situation is still critical." Emergency officials planned to keep the area in the Spanish capital's banking and business district cordoned off at least through Monday. Gallardon ordered nearby businesses to remain closed for the next few days. Service on three subway lines running under or near the building would also be curtailed, he said. "This is the biggest fire ... this city has ever had," Gallardon said. It was not immediately clear what caused the fire, but the building was almost empty on Saturday night when the first alarm went off. Only one of seven firefighters who suffered smoke inhalation remained hospitalized Sunday, Gallardon said. Construction of the shiny gold Windsor Building began in 1973 and was completed in 1979. It became a landmark in Madrid's business district. The building was surrounded with scaffolding due to recent repairs, and a huge crane remained perched on its roof. ___ Associated Press writer Mar Roman contributed to this report. story.news.yahoo.com Well, folks, I guess that settles it, doesn't it? 1472 degrees and the Windsor tower, however wrecked, still looms over Madrid's financial district as the city's third tallest building! And remember: both NYC's WTC and Madrid's Windsor were erected in the 1970s --same technologies, same materials, same age, same blaze and... same TEMPERATURES!! Yet different "taglines": complete and utter collapse for the WTC after a mere 20 minutes whereas the Windsor tower, 48 hours after a devastating blaze (from the 21st floor all the way up to the 32nd and down to ground), is still standing up... DID I MISS SOMETHING? That's not just an ironic question --it's a homework for our resident, self-appointed, structural engineering experts! Gus (*) Message 19929633