To: Brumar89 who wrote (96677 ) 2/27/2005 11:13:22 PM From: epicure Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 108807 So you think we are better off now, after spending billions to invade Iraq to "protect" ourselves from weapons that were not there? Or that we have made ourselves "safer"? Obviously the first reason for the invasion was completely a mistake. If you are hoping to have made the US safer- time will tell on that one. The odds were so far against it making us safer, that it should not have been risked, imo, and I doubt it will prove to have made us safer at all. The money would have been better spent in the US. And the old "tyrannical" governments were at least stable tyrannical governments. We have yet to know what will happen in Iraq once the US leaves. You are probably aware of the enormous number of Iraqis who have been killed both by our troops, and by each other. All those Iraqi casualties, killed by Sunni revolutionaries, must be accounted as part of the cost of getting rid of the old "tyrannical" government. I think time may well prove that both for Iraqis and for the US, Saddam was far from the worst possibility for Iraq. I still think internecine violence is a great possibility. No doubt you will wring your hands and fail to see this as the outgrowth of policies you support, should the magnitude of the violence increase to a level which even you cannot ignore. Your problem, as I see it, is that you do not understand what I object to. I do not per se object to regime changes- but I do object to my country performing them when there is no very certain good outcome. With out forces still in country, it is too early for you to count Iraq as a success. If the country falls apart next year, or the year after, it will be the fault of policies you championed. And as for the USSR, do you argue that the USSR was not a force for geopolitical stability in its sphere of influence? Do you argue it was not a force that relieved us of the cost of policing much of the world, while also providing us with a convenient focus for what we could call "evil". I would argue that the former USSR served US interests very well. Please tell me in detail how you think the former USSR did not serve US interests. Are you comfortable with the free nuclear material now floating around the world? Are you pleased with the scientists now for sale? How do you feel about the problems in the republics? What say you to the rise of radical Islam in the former republics? How about genocide? Also set in motion by the fall of the USSR. You're a fabulous black and white thinker- too bad you live in a world composed of shades of gray.