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To: cosmicforce who wrote (96678)2/27/2005 11:19:55 PM
From: epicure  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 108807
 
If you only see black and white and good and evil, then of course USSR = evil. On the other hand, if you see the world as a chess board, you can see the use in even a rather nasty piece of work, if it protects some other area one is concerned with. How to balance the repression of the USSR, against the fact that they kept a lid on ethnic cleansing?

Obviously the call is very easy for people who don't think about all the details involved, but then, they aren't really thinking, are they?



To: cosmicforce who wrote (96678)2/28/2005 9:08:04 PM
From: Brumar89  Respond to of 108807
 
The old Evil Empire had lots and lots of nuclear missiles aimed at our cities. Enough to wipe us out. So far the Axis of Evil Bush 43 identified are only aspiring to that, well the two that are left are anyway. One of the "axis" is gone. I don't expect the other two governments (NK's and the Iranian mullah gov't ) to survive the 2nd Bush administration.

Which isn't to say we will take them out militarily for certain. Bush has enough moral/political capital now that changes can be made without resorting to force - see Gaddafi and just a few days ago, Mubarak, who decided to allow multiparty elections. And in breaking news, the Syrian puppet gov't of Lebanon resigned and Syria is talking about pulling out.

 XinhuaLebanon's pro-Syrian government resigns
Kansas City Star (subscription) - 1 hour ago
Lebanon's entire pro-Syrian government resigned Monday night, two weeks after senior opposition leader Rafik Hariri was killed in a bomb ...
Lebanon's Government resigns ABC Online
Lebanon Government Resigns After Protest

news.google.com

And yesterday, Syria gave up a bunch of Iraqi Baathists, including
Saddam's half-brother, who had been organizing and financing some of the anti-democratic forces in Iraq:
news.google.com

..did you forget the role of our "buddy" in Pakistan vis a vis nuclear proliferation. Our buddy? Abdul Qadeer Khan wasn't buddy. Maybe you are thinking of Mushareff, who became out buddy after 911 because of Bush 43's "with us or with the terrorists" message. If you know Mushareff is involved in nuclear proliferation, I hope you'll make it known publicly.

Acknowledging that USSR's existence provable promoted security and stability for the U.S. as evidenced by the lack of any terror attacks on the U.S. during the same period is not the same as championing them.

Thinking that the USSR was a good thing for the US is nuts. We came close to nuclear war with them and that would have been a hell of a lot worse than terrorism.

Do you think that the increase in tensions Bush incompetently brews right now with Putin is more or less likely to send us into Nuclear Oblivion? We don't have the sort of tensions you refer to with Russia right now nor are we likely to. Bush is standing up for America's principals while also acknowledging that the US and Russia have both common interests. I note that the US and Russia signed an agreement to upgrade security of Russia's nuclear stockpiles and plants.